300bhp/ton
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What do you know? Very little I suspect.
Care to explain what Range Rover brand values actually are??
Care to explain what Range Rover brand values actually are??
MikeV8SE
New Member
You lot make me laugh, you really do. Everyone sat at home behind their computer saying "oooh look, the Evoque is ****, how horrendous is that" when I bet most of you have not even seen one in the flesh, let alone sat in or driven one.
If any of you were to venture into one of those places where lots of people live called Cities, you would realise that the Evoque is actually a stunning looking car and fits in very well in this environment. Yes it's a bit glitzy and shiney, but no more so than the LED lights adorning the front of current Range Rovers/Sports/Discovery 4's.
It's small, yes - but then it was meant to be smaller than the RR/RRS/D4. It has a smaller engine too, yet its performance figures are pretty respectable, as are its economy and emissions credentials.
Yet despite all its "glitz" and showiness, it still did a respectable, indeed remarkable, job of the offroad test in LRO last month, and the video's online suggests they were not biased. So, it will get people around in the snow or off to the point-to-point at the weekend just as capabaly as anything else in the LR range, and far better than an equivalent BMW/Mercedes/etc.
Now, don't for a minute think I am some townie wanting a shiney bit of four wheeled jewellery to ponce around in. I live out in the sticks and have a 17 year old Range Rover Classic and spend my weekends in my wellies cleaning out the chickens and repairing fences! All I am saying is LR are diversifying into different markets and are doing a damn good job at it too. Every single one of their range is far more capable offroad than any competitor vehicle, which is what LR products are all about.
Love it or hate it, if all LR had done was kept selling Series/Defenders for the past 63 years, they'd have been dead in the water about, ooooh, 30 years ago? So go have a look at an Evoque before jumping on the band wagon, take it for a drive and then come back and tell me its a crock of ****.
If any of you were to venture into one of those places where lots of people live called Cities, you would realise that the Evoque is actually a stunning looking car and fits in very well in this environment. Yes it's a bit glitzy and shiney, but no more so than the LED lights adorning the front of current Range Rovers/Sports/Discovery 4's.
It's small, yes - but then it was meant to be smaller than the RR/RRS/D4. It has a smaller engine too, yet its performance figures are pretty respectable, as are its economy and emissions credentials.
Yet despite all its "glitz" and showiness, it still did a respectable, indeed remarkable, job of the offroad test in LRO last month, and the video's online suggests they were not biased. So, it will get people around in the snow or off to the point-to-point at the weekend just as capabaly as anything else in the LR range, and far better than an equivalent BMW/Mercedes/etc.
Now, don't for a minute think I am some townie wanting a shiney bit of four wheeled jewellery to ponce around in. I live out in the sticks and have a 17 year old Range Rover Classic and spend my weekends in my wellies cleaning out the chickens and repairing fences! All I am saying is LR are diversifying into different markets and are doing a damn good job at it too. Every single one of their range is far more capable offroad than any competitor vehicle, which is what LR products are all about.
Love it or hate it, if all LR had done was kept selling Series/Defenders for the past 63 years, they'd have been dead in the water about, ooooh, 30 years ago? So go have a look at an Evoque before jumping on the band wagon, take it for a drive and then come back and tell me its a crock of ****.
EXACTLY !!! ^^^^ What he said.
I drive a L322, live in the country, have sheep, sheepdogs, go shooting, spend weekends fixing stuff round the place etc.
I don't personally care what LR sell as long as it makes a profit for them and the original marques remain. Christ, where would LR be now if all they had ever made was a Series?? Gone bust in about 1970, that's where.
I remember similar mutterings when the Deafener came out....Coil Springs?? Whatever next. Probably that witchcraft ****e called fire. Maybe even locks on the doors. Good God, possibly even an acceptance of electronic ignition.
Oh and yes, I like the Evoque. And I bet Nobody on here could have produced a design which would have sold better. The first 18 months worth of production sold already and a longish waiting list from what I hear at the dealer. Doesn't mean I'd buy one but I do like it. And actually I would buy one if it was that or a bland eurobox.
I drive a L322, live in the country, have sheep, sheepdogs, go shooting, spend weekends fixing stuff round the place etc.
I don't personally care what LR sell as long as it makes a profit for them and the original marques remain. Christ, where would LR be now if all they had ever made was a Series?? Gone bust in about 1970, that's where.
I remember similar mutterings when the Deafener came out....Coil Springs?? Whatever next. Probably that witchcraft ****e called fire. Maybe even locks on the doors. Good God, possibly even an acceptance of electronic ignition.
Oh and yes, I like the Evoque. And I bet Nobody on here could have produced a design which would have sold better. The first 18 months worth of production sold already and a longish waiting list from what I hear at the dealer. Doesn't mean I'd buy one but I do like it. And actually I would buy one if it was that or a bland eurobox.
300bhp/ton
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Wow this site is full of some tiny narrow minded **** wits.
I bet everyone just loved the original RR back in the 70's too, you know that big blobby styled thing that looked nothing like a Series 2
renton500
New Member
Totally agree, I work at Solihull and have had the chance to have a good look at both the 3 and 4 door versions and have to say I realy like it inside and out, although i wasn't keen on the pictures when I first saw them (I also drive a classic).
The styling obviously isn't going to win everyone over, but with the best part of 30,000 pre-orders, some people obviously like it
Rob Edge
Repairer of scratches and scrapes.
Reading some of the threads about modern Land Rovers I wonder why Land Rover still exists today. If they still produced series LR then they simply wouldn't exist due to leaps forward by the competition. All of the modern stuff might not be to the purists liking but you don't have to buy one. The truth is the balance sheet is more important than an individual that couldn't afford the product anyway. I can't afford one but if they gave me one I wouldn't be in a rush to sell it.
MikeV8SE
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Exactly. On the contrary, I do think they are making a mistake with that DC100 replacement for the Defender - to me, it looks all wrong and is not going to appeal to any of the traditional LR/Defender customers that it needs to.
The difference is, the reason for me not liking the DC100 Concept is it is not going to meet the target market's requirements. It looks (and probably is!) too plastic, it is not utilitarian enough. Personally, I see nothing wrong with the Defender as is but I understand that times change and things need to progress. In which case, why not re-shell the Defender in the same way the Series III became the Ninety and One Ten? You could keep the chassis and suspension but perhaps offer air-suspension as an option - I am sure some people would love that option, particularly utility companies and those that use them for towing as it keeps the truck level at all times. Make the body a bit wider (elbow room!), a bit more aero dynamic and a bit lighter using modern composite materials (both of these will aid economy & emissions targets) but keep the Defender 'look' and versatility. I am sure with a wider body and some chassis modifications the 2.7 or even 3.0 TDV6 engine would fit in, too.
Conversely, I think the Evoque is perfect for it's target market and if I was in the market for a small, modern off-roader I would buy one in an instant (subject to a test drive)!
The difference is, the reason for me not liking the DC100 Concept is it is not going to meet the target market's requirements. It looks (and probably is!) too plastic, it is not utilitarian enough. Personally, I see nothing wrong with the Defender as is but I understand that times change and things need to progress. In which case, why not re-shell the Defender in the same way the Series III became the Ninety and One Ten? You could keep the chassis and suspension but perhaps offer air-suspension as an option - I am sure some people would love that option, particularly utility companies and those that use them for towing as it keeps the truck level at all times. Make the body a bit wider (elbow room!), a bit more aero dynamic and a bit lighter using modern composite materials (both of these will aid economy & emissions targets) but keep the Defender 'look' and versatility. I am sure with a wider body and some chassis modifications the 2.7 or even 3.0 TDV6 engine would fit in, too.
Conversely, I think the Evoque is perfect for it's target market and if I was in the market for a small, modern off-roader I would buy one in an instant (subject to a test drive)!
300bhp/ton
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I'm not so sure.
Lets face it, while in the UK the Defender is still sold as a work horse and in years past as a military vehicle. It's really not the case in the World market.
The Defender is a joke as work truck in almost any other country, in fact it's not even sold in almost any other country any longer because it's so out classed.
If LR want to follow the money then the Defender will be aimed at the recreational market not utilitarian. And in fairness if you look at Defenders since the 50th Anni model, they have been more and more tailored as lifestyle vehicles even in the UK. Such as the Tomb Raider edition. But even regular models can be blinged up from the dealership and more and more don't ever go further off road than the supermarket car park.
Look at the market the Wrangler is aimed it, people buy it for fun because they want it, not because it's a work horse.
kieronf
New Member
Wow this site is full of some tiny narrow minded **** wits.
I bet everyone just loved the original RR back in the 70's too, you know that big blobby styled thing that looked nothing like a Series 2
How nice that we can still come on here and express an opinion without having to concern ourselves that only one persons viewpoiont is the correct viewpoint.
I have seen the car in the flesh - and my opinion remains the same that it is a crock of ****e. It is no more than a styling excercise, cues from which could have been adapted into the Freelander, a model that completely meets the Ewoks niche. This is creating a market to match the model, not the other way round.
My other concern is that too radical styling cues will meet with vocal approval from a minority of niche product purchasers and that ultimately, these design elements will appear in other LR models, something which in my humble opinion (and obviously wrong, opinion, 'cos it doesn't match yours) will damage the LR brand in the long term
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I'd buy one for the missus, if I could afford to have a missus and own an old disco :lol:
But I'd have to have a TDV8 RR too (probably be cheaper then owning a D1 in the long term!)
It's different and different sells plus it's stylish and a woman will have more chance of parking that then a Sport
I can't see people using it to haul their horseboxes about, but then if you've that sort of money you'd own a RR or D4 to do that.
But I'd have to have a TDV8 RR too
(probably be cheaper then owning a D1 in the long term!) It's different and different sells
plus it's stylish and a woman will have more chance of parking that then a Sport I can't see people using it to haul their horseboxes about, but then if you've that sort of money you'd own a RR or D4 to do that.
Rob Edge
Repairer of scratches and scrapes.
The Defender no longer meets with safety standards and it is just too costly to make it comply. It is far more cost effective to replace the model with a new platform which will comply now and in future. The other downside of producing Defender is labour cost which is considerably more than a Range Rover due to hands on build. The new Defender will do everything the current one does but with more efficiency and better handling.
zan79
Well-Known Member
I was driving behind an Evoque a couple of months back whilst out in my tatty old disco 1, I couldn't quite read the model, but could see it was a range rover of some sort, when I pulled up beside it at some traffic lights, the lady driving could see me looking, and wound down the window and the first thing she said to was "it's not mine, I'm test driving it for my company"
West Slope Rover
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I didn't even see a Range Rover until the 80's so I can't be part of that discussion. What I can say is now that I'm a Landy owner and have followed the company a bit is that it seems that the powers that be are more interested in focusing resources on publicity and hype than building a superoir car in its price point.
The build up to the Evoque has been quite a circus, albeit tasteful and oozing blinged celebs. I've followed it on Facebook and it's been humorous to watch. They even had a surfer girl take it on an adventure in Alaska (rough country that!) looking for the perfect wave. Sadly, it was not a quest for the perfect car.
Honestly though, it makes sense that the company's indoctrinated in this mind set. After all, they have spent years selling overpriced cars to wealthy customers who have experienced a myriad of problems with their over priced cars but the customers keep buying them anyway. So naturally, it appears that many are more concerned with keeping up with Ms. Beckam than getting value for their money.
The Land Rover legacy motors are sadly in the past. But, hey...we keep them alive here at the LZ.
The build up to the Evoque has been quite a circus, albeit tasteful and oozing blinged celebs. I've followed it on Facebook and it's been humorous to watch. They even had a surfer girl take it on an adventure in Alaska (rough country that!) looking for the perfect wave. Sadly, it was not a quest for the perfect car.
Honestly though, it makes sense that the company's indoctrinated in this mind set. After all, they have spent years selling overpriced cars to wealthy customers who have experienced a myriad of problems with their over priced cars but the customers keep buying them anyway. So naturally, it appears that many are more concerned with keeping up with Ms. Beckam than getting value for their money.
The Land Rover legacy motors are sadly in the past. But, hey...we keep them alive here at the LZ.
Took one for a test drive 4 weeks ago when my local dealer did their launch day. In my opinion it is a 'crock of ****'. it does have a good engine, but they are dark and dingy inside and look god awful from the outside (Black ones do look better than white or red ones). Suspension is too firm to even be used on an A road without rattling the hell out of you teeth
MikeV8SE
New Member
Yep, I've no problem with that at all. I do take umbridge to people slating it just because it's not a 30 year old rust bucket!!
Not at all. It is designed to be a class above the Freelander, hence the Range Rover rather than Land Rover designation. In my mind, the current Freelander is too premium/expensive anyway. I think the original filled a gap in the market, but the latest £30k Freelander I think is actually a bit pointless! Not cheap enough to be an affordable LR, but not stylish enough to be a high-end Range Rover either!
Fair enough - but I still don't think the DC100 fills the right gap in the market!
I take it the dark and dingy one you drove didn't have the white leather or the panoramic roof then?!
It's not different from most modern cars in that respect! Sit in any "Sport" BMW, renowned for being nice places to sit, and the carpets, dash and even roof are all black. With black leather too they are very dark inside - but dingy? Never! Mine has cream leather which certainly "lightens! the interior, but I'd have one with black leather too - no problem!
300bhp/ton
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So rather like the original Land Rover, Range Rover, Freelander and arguably Disco 1 then
my old mans blinged up gaylander 2 hse is like a mini rr so i aint surprised this has come out.I wouldnt buy one, prob wouldnt give a free one away either. For the money though you could get a decent estate car-a6 was mentioned previously(so the avant), bigger load and passenger space, faster, more practical and a good tow vehicle.Thats wot id go for.
