Richarddiscoverytwo

Richarddiscoverytwo

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Hi there, I <3 my discovery, I mean - whats not to love?

But I am having a running debate with my better half in which she claims I am in denial about what is to become of diesel engines. She found the following news items (below) as evidence of the way things are going. But I am just not going along with it!!

I would be very interested in others views on this nasty anti diesel trend.

And further to this -
"Diesel vehicles face charges after UK government loses air pollution case - Ministers now bound to implement new measures to cut toxic air quickly after high court ruling that current plans are so poor they are illegal" (https://www.theguardian.com/environ...-after-uk-government-loses-air-pollution-case)​

"The government wants five major cities - Birmingham, Leeds, Southampton, Derby and Nottingham - to create clean zones which would charge some of the most polluting vehicles. In addition, London is creating an ultra-low emissions zone. But will this work? And will it be enough." (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-38814297)

"In the UK, campaigners are calling for London's mayor to commit to phase out diesel vehicles from London by 2025.." (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-38170794)

"Paris, Madrid, Athens, and Mexico City will ban diesel vehicles by 2025: After years of being promoted, the fuel is rapidly falling from favour."
(https://arstechnica.co.uk/cars/2016...mexico-city-will-ban-diesel-vehicles-by-2025/)​
 
with a bit of luck some one will develop an additive or a device that will reduce the amount of bad diesel fumes to a level either the same or less than petrol cars, which will probably happen just about the same time they realise that petrol cars are just as bad as polluting as diesels are :p
 
Heard on the news that Diesel vehicle are going to be charged more to park in and around Westminster. £7.80 an hour IIRC, number plate recognition will sort out the pricing.
 
Richarddiscoverytwo said:
Hi there, I <3 my discovery, I mean - whats not to love?

But I am having a running debate with my better half in which she claims I am in denial about what is to become of diesel engines. She found the following news items (below) as evidence of the way things are going. But I am just not going along with it!!

I would be very interested in others views on this nasty anti diesel trend.

And further to this -
"Diesel vehicles face charges after UK government loses air pollution case - Ministers now bound to implement new measures to cut toxic air quickly after high court ruling that current plans are so poor they are illegal" (https://www.theguardian.com/environ...-after-uk-government-loses-air-pollution-case)​

"The government wants five major cities - Birmingham, Leeds, Southampton, Derby and Nottingham - to create clean zones which would charge some of the most polluting vehicles. In addition, London is creating an ultra-low emissions zone. But will this work? And will it be enough." (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-38814297)

"In the UK, campaigners are calling for London's mayor to commit to phase out diesel vehicles from London by 2025.." (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-38170794)

"Paris, Madrid, Athens, and Mexico City will ban diesel vehicles by 2025: After years of being promoted, the fuel is rapidly falling from favour."
(https://arstechnica.co.uk/cars/2016...mexico-city-will-ban-diesel-vehicles-by-2025/)​
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Well, that first item is hardly new news, it's an article from 3 months ago, 2 Nov 2016. And it is in the Guardian the tree hugger's handbook.
With the exception of the first BBC article, the others are from last year too.
It is strange though how everytime the problem of vehicle exhaust fumes arises, there's always a picture of an old rusty car exhaust tailpipe.
Diesel fumes in the cities might well be problem, I won't argue with that, but so are petrol exhaust fumes. The major causes of these problems are unlikely to be "light" vehicles only but some of the larger vehicle engines such as buses, lorries, bin lorries, fire appliances and so on.
When was the last time the writer stood on a platform in Paddington Station? And what about diesel powered vessels on the river?
What has brought this to the fore now is the almost permanents high pressure weather conditions over the country giving rise to very light winds and early winter fog trapping the pollution, which I agree isn't much fun if you're in it.
As to a ban on diesel engines, well that just ain't gonna happen in my lifetime or probably even yours.

Pompey said:
Heard on the news that Diesel vehicle are going to be charged more to park in and around Westminster. £7.80 an hour IIRC, number plate recognition will sort out the pricing.
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I don't see how that can be to do with vehicle fumes, a parked car doesn't emit any. :eek::D
 
brian47 said:
Well, that first item is hardly new news, it's an article from 3 months ago, 2 Nov 2016. And it is in the Guardian the tree hugger's handbook.
With the exception of the first BBC article, the others are from last year too.
It is strange though how everytime the problem of vehicle exhaust fumes arises, there's always a picture of an old rusty car exhaust tailpipe.
Diesel fumes in the cities might well be problem, I won't argue with that, but so are petrol exhaust fumes. The major causes of these problems are unlikely to be "light" vehicles only but some of the larger vehicle engines such as buses, lorries, bin lorries, fire appliances and so on.
When was the last time the writer stood on a platform in Paddington Station? And what about diesel powered vessels on the river?
What has brought this to the fore now is the almost permanents high pressure weather conditions over the country giving rise to very light winds and early winter fog trapping the pollution, which I agree isn't much fun if you're in it.
As to a ban on diesel engines, well that just ain't gonna happen in my lifetime or probably even yours.


I don't see how that can be to do with vehicle fumes, a parked car doesn't emit any. :eek::D
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I think the point is they have to drive to the parking bay, I get your point though. Just another tax really.
 
John03 said:
with a bit of luck some one will develop an additive or a device that will reduce the amount of bad diesel fumes to a level either the same or less than petrol cars, which will probably happen just about the same time they realise that petrol cars are just as bad as polluting as diesels are :p
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They already have, you need "Adblue" injected into the exhaust and a diesel particulate filter. IIRC Dpfs are required on all new diesels, which mean 90% of the problem will fix itself in the next few years.
 
How the heck did the former English city of London cope when they had smog pea soupers from the bygone age. Originally by reports the smog could literally be cut with a knife. I seriously feel the problem is down to causing traffic jams and congestion, while having a city sitting a bowl allowing the smog to sit and not drift out. A little surprise no adaptions or modifications on offer that could be fitted to diesel engines to prevent or meet the guidelines. What makes me laugh if everybody ended up buying a electric cars and trucks you will still be involved with congestion and no doubt complained about by snowflakes cyclists.
 
I'd like to see the size of the batteries they'd have to fit in my truck if it were electric, weighs in at 44t and I can do upto 450 miles a day :p it's a euro 6 Mercedes and the company are impressed cos it's averaging 11 mpg:D
 
saxavordian said:
How the heck did the former English city of London cope when they had smog pea soupers from the bygone age. Originally by reports the smog could literally be cut with a knife. I seriously feel the problem is down to causing traffic jams and congestion, while having a city sitting a bowl allowing the smog to sit and not drift out. A little surprise no adaptions or modifications on offer that could be fitted to diesel engines to prevent or meet the guidelines. What makes me laugh if everybody ended up buying a electric cars and trucks you will still be involved with congestion and no doubt complained about by snowflakes cyclists.
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I well remember those days, so bad one night after finishing work I walked in front of my uncles van to guide us home, nothing was moving. I stayed the night at his house as it got too dangerous to continue the journey to take me home.
 
saxavordian said:
How the heck did the former English city of London cope when they had smog pea soupers from the bygone age. Originally by reports the smog could literally be cut with a knife. I seriously feel the problem is down to causing traffic jams and congestion, while having a city sitting a bowl allowing the smog to sit and not drift out. A little surprise no adaptions or modifications on offer that could be fitted to diesel engines to prevent or meet the guidelines. What makes me laugh if everybody ended up buying a electric cars and trucks you will still be involved with congestion and no doubt complained about by snowflakes cyclists.
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They coped by dying in large numbers. Some strangely thought it not the ideal solution :p
 
When I lived in London at the end of the sixties, just after I'd finished in college, I got a job as a radio engineer fitting and servicing radio kit on tugs and private yachts on the Thames and other places.
One day I remember I'd finished my work on the tug I was on and we were on the run back up river to their home yard at Twickenham when we ran into a patch of dense fog between Putney and Chiswick.
The boss of the tug said to me "You know all about radio and radar, so your the radar operator" and with that he presented me with a bag of pebbles.
"Go up the front and throw them one at a time into the water in front of us, if you hear it go plop, call us on and if it goes clang scream out to stop".
Happy days.
 
TheQ said:
They already have, you need "Adblue" injected into the exhaust and a diesel particulate filter. IIRC Dpfs are required on all new diesels, which mean 90% of the problem will fix itself in the next few years.
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well thats all new diesel cars sorted but what about the old ones like our landy's can they be modified retro fitted with such tech?
 
Marmaduke said:
In a word no, not without throwing a shed of money at it
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Well Brian47 reckons the ban of diesel engines will never happen in his life time, bet he said something similar about Trump and brexit. Unless we can find a way to make our current landy's more environmentally friendly with out throwing a shed load of money at them then I fear that after 2025 we will be priced off the road.
 
John03 said:
Well Brian47 reckons the ban of diesel engines will never happen in his life time, bet he said something similar about Trump and brexit. Unless we can find a way to make our current landy's more environmentally friendly with out throwing a shed load of money at them then I fear that after 2025 we will be priced off the road.
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I had my doubts about the Donald, but Brexit, well I knew that was on the cards. And at 70 this year, saying something like diesel will be going long after my days is a pretty fair bet too. :(
 
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