Hi, I recently brought home a 1995 P38 2.5 diesel, taken from an old gentleman in my town for little money. The car had engine problems, arrived home by truck. A picture of the negotiation, concluded at €1000 (approximately £830).
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I immediately started studying what the fault was (thanks to this forum I'm learning a lot about the P38, thank you very much!), I ordered a nanocom to do the necessary immobilizer and ECU/Becm alignment checks but there was nothing strange . The engine ran but wouldn't start, the stop solenoid opened and diesel was getting to the injectors but the engine wouldn't start. Out of despondency I buy a compression test kit and here comes the surprise, there is no compression! how is this possible? the car only has 180,000km (approximately 130,000 miles). The compression ranges from 7 to 11 bar, with this pressure the diesel won't ignite even with the propane torch! cracked head? bent valves? burnt gasket? I try to add a little oil and I see that the pressure increases, then the problem is the cylinders or the piston rings!
I bought a product called toralin anticarbon, it promises to dissolve the carbon residues that block the rings, it's worth trying before dismantling the engine. Unfortunately it didn't work, all I have to do is open the engine!
I get to work thinking that if I find ovalized cylinders that need grinding I will start looking for an engine (here in Italy you can find 325/525tds), because oversized pistons are not available and if they are found they are expensive.
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In the end I'm lucky, all the expensive components are in good condition: cylinder head, valves, pistons, cylinders and crankshaft are perfectly within tolerance. Unfortunately, on all pistons, the second and third rings are welded, while the first one moves, thanks also to its different shape. The connecting rod bearings are perfect.
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I ordered new standard size rings, chain and sprockets as well as gaskets and all the other things that are changed when an engine is opened, I will also dismantle the valves to grind the seats. I will rebuild it step by step, on weekends when I don't work, pray for me😁.
I want to thank this fantastic forum where there are people who know these cars and make information available. Thanks very much. Obviously this work would not have been possible without the RAVE, found here on LandyZone. I will update you on developments, but don't rush!!
 
What caused that, I wonder?

Has anyone touched the crankshaft bolt on the front of the engine? That has to be done up 'kin tight or the oil pump won't be driven.
 
What caused that, I wonder?

Has anyone touched the crankshaft bolt on the front of the engine? That has to be done up 'kin tight or the oil pump won't be driven.
Operated for short periods and stopped for many years :(.
I removed the central crankshaft bolt to extract the chain sprocket, which I will replace. For the closing I stick to RAVE (100nm + 60°+60°+30° ☠️). As you say, the oil pump is driven by a free-rotating sleeve(4) on the crankshaft and is tightened by the big bolt(1) that holds the pulley hub(2), sprocket(3), and the part that drives the pump together(4).
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The oil pump fits into the sleeve with the two grooves thanks to the two teeth present internally.
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"valve processing with abrasive paste. On the right, unmachined seats and valves, on the left, seats and valves ground with coarse and fine abrasive paste. Good night"

Looks to me like the right side have been done, not the left ??

Mi sembra che sia stato fatto il lato destro, non il sinistro??
 
@Francesco M. Welcome to the self-harming club. Interesting color your P38, in Italy they are almost all gray or blue. Seems to be a DT, so rather basic setup (but with Hevac) without headlight wipers, sunroof and with fabric interior. I have been fighting for 3 years with my P38 (DSE) and I am quickly becoming an auto electrician, a mechanic, and a zen monk since I love her but she does her best to kill my wallet. Now, after the complete VE pump rebuild, I'm looking for a new or working FIP actuator. :vb-headbang:
I don't know what area you are from but I live between Veneto and FVG. I see that with engines you do very well but if you need some advice on anything else just write me a message here. In Italian, of course. Ciao! Roberto
 
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Google translate can be your friend sometimes. :) I'm currently rebuilding a 1952 AEC 9.6 litre bus engine. No oil reaching the top end, valve stems and guides has 3mm of play!! It's great fun and I'm amazed the engine ran at all, but it did and sounded lovely.

I suspect your P38 has been used as a shopping car and left standing for a long time.
 
@Francesco M. Welcome to the self-harming club. Interesting color your P38, in Italy they are almost all gray or blue. Seems to be a DT, so rather basic setup (but with Hevac) without headlight wipers, sunroof and with fabric interior. I have been fighting for 3 years with my P38 (DSE) and I am quickly becoming an auto electrician, a mechanic, and a zen monk since I love her but she does her best to kill my wallet. Now, after the complete VE pump rebuild, I'm looking for a new or working FIP actuator. :vb-headbang:
I don't know what area you are from but I live between Veneto and FVG. I see that with engines you do very well but if you need some advice on anything else just write me a message here. In Italian, of course. Ciao! Roberto
Hi Roberto ! I live in the middle Italy, Umbria, Perugia near Trasimeno lake😁
Google translate can be your friend sometimes. :) I'm currently rebuilding a 1952 AEC 9.6 litre bus engine. No oil reaching the top end, valve stems and guides has 3mm of play!! It's great fun and I'm amazed the engine ran at all, but it did and sounded lovely.

I suspect your P38 has been used as a shopping car and left standing for a long time.
your engine was dead and you didn't know it 🤣. upload some photos we are curious 😁
 
Spare parts are starting to arrive, I immediately compared the new chains with the old ones: here is the situation 30 years and 186,000 km later. I actually suspect it was changed because it has little stretch and there was putty in some places on the head.

Low chain:
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High chain:
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the timing chain kit is Hepu with sprockets. The weight of the spare parts is as follows:
OEM low: 420gr
Hepu low: 400gr
OEM high: 470gr
Hepu high:440gr
The scale is not professional but the weighings were repeated 3 times each, we must not focus on the total weight but on the difference...
The only sign of wear could be seen on the lower chain tensioner, which is why I don't think the chain has 186,000 km
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I know, I'm slow, but my helper is always sleeping or playing 🫠
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try to bend Ulysses' arch, whoever passes all the connecting rods takes home the rangie, but you can finish the work yourself!
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everyone inside:
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The rings mounted are Goetze, at first glance the profile is identical to the OEM .
The connecting rods were tightened as per RAVE: 5nm + 20nm + 70°. If you do this assembly don't be stingy with the oil and the Rangie will thank you. I removed the pistons by removing the sump, the car needs to be raised to create space between the sump and the axle. Before carrying out this type of work I recommend having the RAVE.
 
Spare parts are starting to arrive, I immediately compared the new chains with the old ones: here is the situation 30 years and 186,000 km later. I actually suspect it was changed because it has little stretch and there was putty in some places on the head.

Low chain:View attachment 334936
High chain:
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the timing chain kit is Hepu with sprockets. The weight of the spare parts is as follows:
OEM low: 420gr
Hepu low: 400gr
OEM high: 470gr
Hepu high:440gr
The scale is not professional but the weighings were repeated 3 times each, we must not focus on the total weight but on the difference...
The only sign of wear could be seen on the lower chain tensioner, which is why I don't think the chain has 186,000 kmView attachment 334944
I know, I'm slow, but my helper is always sleeping or playing 🫠
View attachment 334945
try to bend Ulysses' arch, whoever passes all the connecting rods takes home the rangie, but you can finish the work yourself!
View attachment 334946
everyone inside:
View attachment 334947
The rings mounted are Goetze, at first glance the profile is identical to the OEM .
The connecting rods were tightened as per RAVE: 5nm + 20nm + 70°. If you do this assembly don't be stingy with the oil and the Rangie will thank you. I removed the pistons by removing the sump, the car needs to be raised to create space between the sump and the axle. Before carrying out this type of work I recommend having the RAVE.
I like your helper :)
 
Spare parts are starting to arrive, I immediately compared the new chains with the old ones: here is the situation 30 years and 186,000 km later. I actually suspect it was changed because it has little stretch and there was putty in some places on the head.

Low chain:View attachment 334936
High chain:
View attachment 334940
the timing chain kit is Hepu with sprockets. The weight of the spare parts is as follows:
OEM low: 420gr
Hepu low: 400gr
OEM high: 470gr
Hepu high:440gr
The scale is not professional but the weighings were repeated 3 times each, we must not focus on the total weight but on the difference...
The only sign of wear could be seen on the lower chain tensioner, which is why I don't think the chain has 186,000 kmView attachment 334944
I know, I'm slow, but my helper is always sleeping or playing 🫠
View attachment 334945
try to bend Ulysses' arch, whoever passes all the connecting rods takes home the rangie, but you can finish the work yourself!
View attachment 334946
everyone inside:
View attachment 334947
The rings mounted are Goetze, at first glance the profile is identical to the OEM .
The connecting rods were tightened as per RAVE: 5nm + 20nm + 70°. If you do this assembly don't be stingy with the oil and the Rangie will thank you. I removed the pistons by removing the sump, the car needs to be raised to create space between the sump and the axle. Before carrying out this type of work I recommend having the RAVE.

My chains are original at nearly 180000 miles, let alone kilometres, and they show no signs of wear still. Had a look when I had the cylinder head off a few weeks back.
 
I like your helper :)
Amelia the Staffy 😎
My chains are original at nearly 180000 miles, let alone kilometres, and they show no signs of wear still. Had a look when I had the cylinder head off a few weeks back.
Very good! I've read that many people have bad hot starting after 200,000km due to the lengthening of the chain, so since I had to change the piston rings, I thought about changing the chains too, now I see that it wasn't necessary.
 
Amelia the Staffy 😎

Very good! I've read that many people have bad hot starting after 200,000km due to the lengthening of the chain, so since I had to change the piston rings, I thought about changing the chains too, now I see that it wasn't necessary.
The hot start problem is indeed due to chain stretch, easily cured by retiming the FIP.
 
Amelia the Staffy 😎

Very good! I've read that many people have bad hot starting after 200,000km due to the lengthening of the chain, so since I had to change the piston rings, I thought about changing the chains too, now I see that it wasn't necessary.

To be fair I do have hot start fitted.

You reset the static timing on the FIP as per RAVE but also you need to reset the cam bolt (need to use a new one as it is a stretch bolt) using a shim under the camshaft holding tool. A decent battery and glow-plugs and I suspect the hot start isn't necessary.

It is slightly more borderline with earlier models like ours because the fuel pump doesn't run while cranking and the engine map has quite a high rpm before it accepts the car has started.
 
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To be fair I do have hot start fitted.

You reset the static timing on the FIP as per RAVE but also you need to reset the crank bolt (need to use a new one as it is a stretch bolt) using a shim under the crankshaft holding tool. A decent battery and glow-plugs and I suspect the hot start isn't necessary.

It is slightly more borderline with earlier models like ours because the fuel pump doesn't run while cranking and the engine map has quite a high rpm before it accepts the car has started.
I didn't know that the old models had a higher rpm for starting
 

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