chris_mack
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200tdi defender is 107bhp, disco is 111bhp
300tdi is 111bhp for disco and defender
300tdi is 111bhp for disco and defender
Sparky_Plug
New Member
i thought the 200tdi def was 103bhp thats what my inside contact told me 
Engine size is identical,
Both are of a 2.5 litre capacity,
Both are Turbo charged + intercooled
Both produce similar power and torque. Although in a defender the power was down on the 200 Tdi, compared to the same engine in the Discovery and Range Rover.
200 Tdi (defender) - 103 bhp
200 Tdi (disco/rangy) - 111bhp
300 Tdi (all variants) - 111 bhp
Different belt drives as mentioned, also Turbo etc.
The 300 Tdi is basically the development of the 200 Tdi, offering more refinement + bottom end is supposed to be stronger.
Both are very good engines though, much better than any diesels Land Rover had produced before.
Both are of a 2.5 litre capacity,
Both are Turbo charged + intercooled
Both produce similar power and torque. Although in a defender the power was down on the 200 Tdi, compared to the same engine in the Discovery and Range Rover.
200 Tdi (defender) - 103 bhp
200 Tdi (disco/rangy) - 111bhp
300 Tdi (all variants) - 111 bhp
Different belt drives as mentioned, also Turbo etc.
The 300 Tdi is basically the development of the 200 Tdi, offering more refinement + bottom end is supposed to be stronger.
Both are very good engines though, much better than any diesels Land Rover had produced before.
chris_mack
New Member
i dont know where you are both gettin this 103bhp figure from, im 99% sure its 107......
Sparky_Plug
New Member
another thing i wud like to sort out
only the late 1998 and 1997 models of 300tdi have any electronics on them at all and that was a simple egr to improve emissions which you can remove so many people seem to think they have its annoying
only the late 1998 and 1997 models of 300tdi have any electronics on them at all and that was a simple egr to improve emissions which you can remove so many people seem to think they have its annoying
Sparky_Plug
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103bhp figure comes from my mate who used to be head of servicing at epson land rovers and he got it from offical rover release i had this conversation with him just last week cuz my mate (another 1 yes i have atleast 2) was puzzled y i pull away from him on the A1 when we get going over 60mph
chris_mack
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see link above
jonp
New Member
the 200 tdi defender engine I put in my 90 gives me around 29-30 mpg with the LT77S box and defender transfer box and colway AT 235 70 R16's. Thermostat needs replacing, so it's running a little cold just now too. The 110 I had last year gave 32 mpg, and is why I got the NA engine out of 90, it was never better than 24 mpg, and would only do 38 mph up British camp in Malvern, with the 200 tdi the 90 will now reach 65 mph by the top of the same hill! Top speed seen recently was 82 mph. Quite pleased I managed to overtake a disco on the hill up to Hirwaun out of Merthyr!! Didn't expect to do that.....
Sparky_Plug
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and haynes says 111bhp doesnt mean its rite?
rover will probly know 4 sure sum engine are better than others anyway the figure give is just a rough guess around where most engines will be i bet my 300 hasnt got 111bhp any more
chris_mack
New Member
yeh, but barely anythin haynes says is true! they dont call it the book of lies for nothing!
Can someone please explain to me how a DIESEL engine can "run rich" ?
I've only got about 50 years of experience, and it's a new one to me.
Your engine might be SICK, mistimed, low compression, injectors way off adjustment, and stuff like that, but running rich?
This I need to hear about.
CharlesY
I've only got about 50 years of experience, and it's a new one to me.
Your engine might be SICK, mistimed, low compression, injectors way off adjustment, and stuff like that, but running rich?
This I need to hear about.
CharlesY
chris_mack
New Member
charles i bought a 200tdi disco locally last week, so im afraid im no longer a potential buyer for yours! it was a bit far anyway!
RAZ8550TDI
New Member
was yer selling a complete disco charles??
if its the Yella one - it dint look very complete to me
RAZ8550TDI
New Member
if its the yella one alot of the bits are one mine!!! if its the one am thinking of.
I bought a whole runner 200 tdi recently .. a Disco ..... but the chassis and body are both COMPLETELY gonners.
However, all the mechanicals and leccy stuff works fine, and it starts and runs well.
question is, now I have a 2.5 td in the lightweight, what dio I do with this one?
Was goiing to stick ... the good chassis off YELLA on it, but the body isn't up to it.
Ideas?
CharlesY
No idea, but he said it was set up a little different from normal to run 'rich' (smoke?) for better off road slow running. He stated it could be adjusted back. I will use it mainly on the raod.
He is an agricultural engineer and seemed glued up.
Me I have not the faintest, other than where to put the diesel, I have very little mechanical knowledge
What I do know is this ....
It does not use any oil (or at worse maybe 1/4qtr of litre every 1000 miles
It seems to pull very well up hill
It starts instantly every morning
However ....
Strong headwind to day and it struggled to get to sixty.
Sometimes it smokes badly on startup, occasionally it doesn't smoke at all (This could be me getting use to starting a diesel and timing the glow plugs)
On overrun going down hill when cold it smokes blue/white smoke. When warm it does not smoke at all.
Colder the morning, the longer the glow. A good plan on very cold mornings is 20 seconds of glow, 10 - 20 seconds wait, then 20 seconds glow and fire her up.
CharlesY
"There is NO WAY to make a diesel "run rich" other than to open the max fuel screw TOO FAR, and cause EXCESS fuelling, but all that does is to make smoke, reduce power and waste fuel. "
Thanks for your help
You may have hit the problem on the head .............
That's just the symptons I have.
Poor MPG,
lack of power = reduced top speed.
Smokes (expecially when cold, it always seems as if it's overchoking
Matter of interest where (approx) is the fuel screw? I vaguely remember the guy pointing somewhere to the offside of the engine that the adjuster was there.
I don't want to mess, just interested.
Thanks for your help
You may have hit the problem on the head .............
That's just the symptons I have.
Poor MPG,
lack of power = reduced top speed.
Smokes (expecially when cold, it always seems as if it's overchoking
Matter of interest where (approx) is the fuel screw? I vaguely remember the guy pointing somewhere to the offside of the engine that the adjuster was there.
I don't want to mess, just interested.
