Well it started as a joke, and ended up as a wind up, but any ways, merry berry to you all and happy new year, i'm working Xmas day and the new year, and why was i on the puter at 1am? because i had a week off work...... so back 2 work 2morrow, someone got to keep the traffic from flowing on the M25 lol, by the way the speed cams (average) are now working again, so slow down folks, or you'll get a ticket
 
All in all it is a far better option to be stopped now and again by a copper than to be policed by robots. Where you can be ****ed out of your head or high on drugs and as long as your below the speed limit, you are safe. I think a while ago police recommended that you did not carry your documents in the vehicle, to prevent a would be car thief from gaining instant legitimacy. They can't have it both ways. I actually agree with the Christmas drink driving stops. But as Data says it should be made legal the police should not have to think of an excuse to do it. We all know it's not a document check. They know who the owner is, whether they have a licence, his/her address, if it's taxed, if it's insured, if it's MOTd before they stop you these days. If they stop you all they are doing is confirming the person drivings identity.
 
david.wade said:
Sorry Wammers, afraid you are wrong on this one.

No Police stops are random. Even if it appears that you are driving correctly, vehicle looks all in order, the Police can still stop you and they have many reasons why they can do this.
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you sir are full of ****e. A police officer has to have reasonable grounds to believe that you have committed an offence before they can stop you.
For a start they have powers to stop and demand your date of birth, the list goes on, inspect your driving licence ect. Did you know that technically, it is an offence to drive on the road and not have your driving licence with you.
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again ****e there is no legal duty to carry any id or vehicle documents with you at any time of the day or night.
Alot of people do drive without their licence with them, the law understands this hence the seven day wonder, however you have still committed a moving traffic offence and therefore the Police have the power to demand a breath test.
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even more ****e Perhaps instead of spouting this ****e you could point us towards the section of the road traffic act your referring to.

As for the Christmas Campaigns, yes the Police do these checks every year but they still hace to comply with the law and in most cases people will get breathalysed. But, in the odd case senerio, where you are not doing anything wrong, you have all the documents with you, you are the registered keeper, your vehicle is in order then the Police have to form the SUSPICION THAT YOU ARE DRIVING A VEHICLE ON THE ROAD WHILST UNDER THE INFUENCE OF ALCOHOL before they breath test you.
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You really have missed the point here haven't you. The point been that random breath tests ARE Illegal and so the police make up excuses so that they can carry out random breath tests.


Edit for clarification the law states..

(6)If a person required under the preceding provisions of this section to produce a licence and its counterpart or state his date of birth or to produce his certificate of completion of a training course for motor cyclists. . . fails to do so he is, subject to subsections (7) to (8A) below, guilty of an offence.

(7)Subsection (6) above does not apply where a person required on any occasion under the preceding provisions of this section to produce a licence and its counterpart—

(a)produces on that occasion a current receipt for the licence and its counterpart issued under section 56 of the Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988 and, if required to do so, produces the licence and its counterpart in person immediately on their return at a police station that was specified on that occasion, or

(b)within seven days after that occasion produces such a receipt in person at a police station that was specified by him on that occasion and, if required to do so, produces the licence and its counterpart in person immediately on their return at that police station.

(8)In proceedings against any person for the offence of failing to produce a licence and its counterpart it shall be a defence for him to show that—

(a)within seven days after the production of his licence and its counterpart was required he produced them in person at a police station that was specified by him at the time their production was required, or

(b)he produced them in person there as soon as was reasonably practicable, or

(c)it was not reasonably practicable for him to produce them there before the day on which the proceedings were commenced,

and for the purposes of this subsection the laying of the information or, in Scotland, the service of the complaint on the accused shall be treated as the commencement of the proceedings.
 
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Dopey said:
Well it started as a joke, and ended up as a wind up, but any ways, merry berry to you all and happy new year, i'm working Xmas day and the new year, and why was i on the puter at 1am? because i had a week off work...... so back 2 work 2morrow, someone got to keep the traffic from flowing on the M25 lol, by the way the speed cams (average) are now working again, so slow down folks, or you'll get a ticket
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the cameras round heathrow way or the road work ones?
 
redhand said:
you sir are full of ****e. A police officer has to have reasonable grounds to believe that you have committed an offence before they can stop you.
again ****e there is no legal duty to carry any id or vehicle documents with you at any time of the day or night.
even more ****e Perhaps instead of spouting this ****e you could point us towards the section of the road traffic act your referring to.



You really have missed the point here haven't you. The point been that random breath tests ARE Illegal and so the police make up excuses so that they can carry out random breath tests.


Edit for clarification the law states..

(6)If a person required under the preceding provisions of this section to produce a licence [F25and its counterpart] or state his date of birth [F26or to produce his certificate of completion of a training course for motor cyclists]F27. . . fails to do so he is, subject to subsections (7) [F28to (8A)] below, guilty of an offence.

(7)Subsection (6) above does not apply where a person required on any occasion under the preceding provisions of this section to produce a licence [F29and its counterpart]—

(a)produces on that occasion a current receipt for the licence [F30and its counterpart] issued under section 56 of the M1Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988 and, if required to do so, produces the licence [F30and its counterpart] in person immediately on [F31their] return at a police station that was specified on that occasion, or

(b)within seven days after that occasion produces such a receipt in person at a police station that was specified by him on that occasion and, if required to do so, produces the licence [F32and its counterpart] in person immediately on [F33their] return at that police station.

(8)In proceedings against any person for the offence of failing to produce a licence [F34and its counterpart] it shall be a defence for him to show that—

(a)within seven days after the production of his licence [F34and its counterpart] was required he produced [F35them] in person at a police station that was specified by him at the time [F36their] production was required, or

(b)he produced [F35them] in person there as soon as was reasonably practicable, or

(c)it was not reasonably practicable for him to produce [F35them] there before the day on which the proceedings were commenced,

and for the purposes of this subsection the laying of the information or, in Scotland, the service of the complaint on the accused shall be treated as the commencement of the proceedings.
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Correct and admitted to be so by the police themselves.:):):)
 
redhand said:
you sir are full of ****e. A police officer has to have reasonable grounds to believe that you have committed an offence before they can stop you.
again ****e there is no legal duty to carry any id or vehicle documents with you at any time of the day or night.
even more ****e Perhaps instead of spouting this ****e you could point us towards the section of the road traffic act your referring to.



You really have missed the point here haven't you. The point been that random breath tests ARE Illegal and so the police make up excuses so that they can carry out random breath tests.


Edit for clarification the law states..

(6)If a person required under the preceding provisions of this section to produce a licence and its counterpart or state his date of birth or to produce his certificate of completion of a training course for motor cyclists. . . fails to do so he is, subject to subsections (7) to (8A) below, guilty of an offence.

(7)Subsection (6) above does not apply where a person required on any occasion under the preceding provisions of this section to produce a licence and its counterpart—

(a)produces on that occasion a current receipt for the licence and its counterpart issued under section 56 of the Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988 and, if required to do so, produces the licence and its counterpart in person immediately on their return at a police station that was specified on that occasion, or

(b)within seven days after that occasion produces such a receipt in person at a police station that was specified by him on that occasion and, if required to do so, produces the licence and its counterpart in person immediately on their return at that police station.

(8)In proceedings against any person for the offence of failing to produce a licence and its counterpart it shall be a defence for him to show that—

(a)within seven days after the production of his licence and its counterpart was required he produced them in person at a police station that was specified by him at the time their production was required, or

(b)he produced them in person there as soon as was reasonably practicable, or

(c)it was not reasonably practicable for him to produce them there before the day on which the proceedings were commenced,

and for the purposes of this subsection the laying of the information or, in Scotland, the service of the complaint on the accused shall be treated as the commencement of the proceedings.
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Thank you for posting that lot, I couldn't be bothered to look it all up and attatch it.:D
 
wammers said:
I think a while ago police recommended that you did not carry your documents in the vehicle,
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As do the RAC and AA if I recall. They certainly used to recommend not showing your papers at the roadside even if you do have them on you, and to leave it to present them at your local station.
 
kernowdragon said:
As do the RAC and AA if I recall. They certainly used to recommend not showing your papers at the roadside even if you do have them on you, and to leave it to present them at your local station.
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Yes that is also my understanding.
 
Three reasons for a breath test (road or public place),

1 Moving Traffic Offence,
2 Alcohol suspected
or
3 Involved in accident

Any other 'random' test is merely a request to present figures to the press and show that "something is being done to tackle a problem".

Interesting legal position if a positive test comes from a non legal requirement in which case one of the first two options above would have had to apply.

Then there are hospital breath testing requirements.................
 
goonarmy said:
the cameras round heathrow way or the road work ones?
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The road works ones, i did give the junction numbers its the same clockwise and anti clock too

As for Heathrow the cameras are not working up until J14 (anticlockwise)

As for clockwise i forgot where they start and end, but i THINK they are again clockwise (not working) and from J14 onwards, the ones on the A1M (roadworks) are working

And anyway i shouldn't be telling you all this its confidential, so don't tell anyone ok? :D
 
Dopey said:
The road works ones, i did give the junction numbers its the same clockwise and anti clock too

As for Heathrow the cameras are not working up until J14 (anticlockwise)

As for clockwise i forgot where they start and end, but i THINK they are again clockwise from J14 onwards, the ones on the A1M (roadworks) are working

And anyway i shouldn't be telling you all this its confidential, so don't tell anyone ok? :D
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Never got a ticket yet, maybe thats why....Cheers for the warning
 
according to a guy at work whos wife is a copper they cant just stop you if you havnt done anything wrong unless they use the anti terror laws. now round here there are so many military bases that they can stop you anywhere on theose grounds- not sure how it applies in other parts of the country? I have been stopped twice for doing nothing wrong but the police said it was because "it was that time of night" which I thought was a little wrong but hey ho its just not worth the hassle of giving them agro :doh:

Not sure if my mats right about that BTW?

In the states they need "Probabal cause" dunno of the "time of night" applies in that circumstance :p
 
fett said:
according to a guy at work whos wife is a copper they cant just stop you if you havnt done anything wrong unless they use the anti terror laws. now round here there are so many military bases that they can stop you anywhere on theose grounds- not sure how it applies in other parts of the country? I have been stopped twice for doing nothing wrong but the police said it was because "it was that time of night" which I thought was a little wrong but hey ho its just not worth the hassle of giving them agro :doh:

Not sure if my mats right about that BTW?

In the states they need "Probabal cause" dunno of the "time of night" applies in that circumstance :p
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My reply to that wa always what the fook you doing outta ya bed at this time of night then.. :D and yes re the anti terror law believe summat like 240,000 stops since it came in less than 300 arrests and none for terrorism charges. Nowt like abusing ya powers is there??
 
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fett said:
according to a guy at work whos wife is a copper they cant just stop you if you havnt done anything wrong unless they use the anti terror laws. now round here there are so many military bases that they can stop you anywhere on theose grounds- not sure how it applies in other parts of the country? I have been stopped twice for doing nothing wrong but the police said it was because "it was that time of night" which I thought was a little wrong but hey ho its just not worth the hassle of giving them agro :doh:

Not sure if my mats right about that BTW?

In the states they need "Probabal cause" dunno of the "time of night" applies in that circumstance :p
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I get stopped about once a month around Westminster under the suspicion of being a terrorist.

I suspect that modern terrorists have moved on in the last few years and now sit in the back of mint LSEs in a suit!!!!!!

What is interesting is the paperwork that they fill out. It is standard stop and search documentation and states very clearly that they are not actually able to stop you without reasonable cause or suspicion.

When questioned it is always the same, the chap filling out the paperwork goes and get the chap in charge of the roadblock who then explains that they are stopping you under the Anti Terror Act but have not yet been given the forms for this so have to use the conventional stop and search forms.

Then, when questioned as to what it was that clearly gave the suspicion that i was about to go on a killing spree, the chap smiles and says nothing. They know and I know but to be honest they are always polite and chatty and it only takes a couple of minutes.

I've also been stopped in London while in the TVR and the excuse there was that a lot have been stolen recently so they are just checking and would I mind blowing into this bag while they do so. Again, when pointed out that insurance figures clearly show that basically none are ever stolen they just smile that their bluff has been called. But I don't see the point in getting arsey about it. London is jammed packed with knobs driving under the influence I'd prefer if there was more of it. A lot more.
 
Horse_Apple said:
London is jammed packed with knobs driving under the influence I'd prefer if there was more of it. A lot more.
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Aww come on now no one should be advocating more drunk driving. Even in London where killing a few londoners would be a bonus!! :rolleyes: :D :D :p
 
your right its not worth getting arsy, you only have to watch cops or the like to see they always come off worse lol

My gardener was telling me (he likes a chat) that his 15 yr old daughter ran off with his ex wifes heroin addicted boy friend who was like 20 years older (yes really, I was also shocked) anyway he bumped into him and hes said he didnt remember doing it but apparently he pushed him (the junkie perv) off his bike and kicked him in the bollocks and gave him a few smacks (good on him and he doesnt seem the type lol)

Anyway old bill was called and junkie tried to get him done, apparantly the Gardener was no nice and cooperative witht he police they let him go , no charges and only a statment taken.

Bargain :p
 
this post has gone from a light hearted comment to a serious debate,blimey how would comedy be if we took it serious.
krauts are us lmao lol ha ha ha ha ha oh and ho ho ho merry ****ing christmas to one and all.
 
fett said:
your right its not worth getting arsy, you only have to watch cops or the like to see they always come off worse lol

My gardener was telling me (he likes a chat) that his 15 yr old daughter ran off with his ex wifes heroin addicted boy friend who was like 20 years older (yes really, I was also shocked) anyway he bumped into him and hes said he didnt remember doing it but apparently he pushed him (the junkie perv) off his bike and kicked him in the bollocks and gave him a few smacks (good on him and he doesnt seem the type lol)

Anyway old bill was called and junkie tried to get him done, apparantly the Gardener was no nice and cooperative witht he police they let him go , no charges and only a statment taken.

Bargain :p
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justice served;)
 
L.Z'er

The Police can stop any vehicle on a public road whilst in full uniform under the RTA .... just for document check.,, thats the one they can always fall back on.... then they get into the other stuff, ESD's, tyres, etc. They dont need reasonable cause / grounds or for you to be commiting a traffic offence.

BTW you can even get stuck on for not having windscreen wash fluid.
 
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