andyfreelandy

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• Feb 28, 2019

• #1

Having changed lower ball joints in front suspension I took car, 2002 td4, for a tracking check. My manual says 2.36mm toe out although shows a positive value. I always thought toe in was positive. Tyre centre set it up to toe in as per their book. Similar figure 2.28mm. Now I am confused. Should landy be toe out or toe in at the front?? I did have some feathering on inner edges of tyres so that would suggest too much toe out so maybe tyre centre is right ?

 

Stv123

Active Member

• Feb 28, 2019

• #2

Any toe out would make it inherently unstable front or back. Ideal is tiny amount of toe in.

 

htr

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• Feb 28, 2019

• #3

This site / page could be useful - let us know! http://www.myfreelander.co.uk/Steering/steerprobs3.htm

 

Nodge68

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• Mar 1, 2019

• #4

The Freelander needs a couple of mm toe out so the tyre place is correct.

Edit. I made a boo boo. Corrected now.

 

Last edited: Mar 1, 2019

andyfreelandy

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• Mar 1, 2019

• #5

Thanks. What a complex and misunderstood subject this is! Never had tyre edge wear on a Freelander before so never really thought about it except getting it checked at new tyre time.

 

andyfreelandy

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• Mar 1, 2019

• #6

Haynes quotes 2.36mm toe out on the front for my wheel size as does the above attachment. Unless I am reading it wrong

 

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digby

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• Mar 1, 2019

• #7

I went through this recently - spec is actually a bit of toe out (wheels pointing away from the straight ahead position) but this had given me some edge wear on the tyres.

When i had it reset after fitting new rear tyres and switching rears to front i had the wheels set in the straight ahead position which i believe is the minimum end of the LR spec

too soon to detect any strange wear yet

 

jamesmartin

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• Mar 1, 2019

• #8

usually front wheel drive have toe out as the torque on the wheels as they are driven pulls the wheels in , equal 4x4 wheels set straight and rear wheel cars have toe in as the front wheels are pushed out so with toe in during driving the wheels run straight

 

Nodge68

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• Mar 1, 2019

• #9

andyfreelandy said:

Haynes quotes 2.36mm toe out on the front for my wheel size as does the above attachment. Unless I am reading it wrong

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That's correct. There are a couple of tow out measurements for the FL1. There's the standard toe out and an optimised toe out where driver's complain about tram-lining.

 

Last edited: Mar 1, 2019

andyfreelandy

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• Mar 1, 2019

• #10

So couple of mm toe in is best from experience then??

 

andyfreelandy

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• Mar 1, 2019

• #11

Think you misread my earlier message. Then I read yours saying tyre centre was right!! Tyre centre set up to 2mm toe in. Wrong then??

 

Nodge68

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• Mar 1, 2019

• #12

andyfreelandy said:

Think you misread my earlier message. Then I read yours saying tyre centre was right!! Tyre centre set up to 2mm toe in. Wrong then??

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I probably did, then promptly added to the confusion by saying toe in instead of toe out.

The wheels definitely toe out by just over 2mm IIRC

Edit:

Here's the optimised TOE OUT setting.
Degrees minutes - 0 10’
Decimal degrees - 0.167
Millimeters:
15 inch wheel - 1.20mm
16 inch wheel - 1.30mm
17 inch wheel - 1.35mm

 

Last edited: Mar 1, 2019

andyfreelandy

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• Mar 1, 2019

• #13

Thanks. I'll go back and have a discussion!!