Kinvara

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Hi all,

Just as I thought I'd identified the issue with the sluggish start, a new problem hits my 300tdi starting up!

The sluggish start I believe is due to the fuel draining back to the tank.
Now that my drive has remained dry for more than two minutes, I've noted a wet patch under the rear of the Lanny, on inspection it's diesel. Initially suspecting the fuel tank I'm leaning more to the fuel line having a leak that runs on to the tank, hopefully the cause of the sluggish start - I have another thread going on this!

However, the latest problem is with the starter motor.
As normal with the first start of the day, she takes a few turns before firing up and assuming she's not been left for too long she starts fine after that. But on Saturday she did something new! After a few turns, she stopped making the normal engine trying to start noise and instead started making a high pitch electric motor spinning noise. This didn't stop when I took the key out of the ignition.
After what seemed a long time of wondering how I'd stop the motor spinning, it slowed down and stopped it's self.

I tried again and the same happened, she tried to turn over a couple of times and then just made the high pitch spinning noise, this time with smoke from the starter motor area (I had the bonnet up this time!).

So, any suggest from this knowledgeable forum?
A friend thinks it's the solenoid and suggested starting it again but this time hitting the starter motor with a hammer!

So, I returned to try this with the aid of my wife at the wheel, but nothing, not even a click never mind a turn! So, what have I done now?

Being nervous of the starter doing things without the key and the smoke effects, I disconnected the battery, has this triggered the alarm/ imobiliser in someway? The fob appears to do it's thing and the alarm light on the dash goes out, but does this mean anything if I've removed the battery?

Oh, and my battery makes a hissing/ bubbling noise which I'm told could mean one of the cells is damaged. Apparently it's a new battery (I got the Lanny last November), but I was surprised to see it says leisure battery on it! I thought leisure batteries were for as they say, leisure, such as in caravans, but the battery does say "supreme starting power" on the side so perhaps I was wrong. Either way it sounds like the battery is faulty so I'll be getting a new one - what battery do you guys recommend?

Thanks for your help.
 
Hi all,

Just as I thought I'd identified the issue with the sluggish start, a new problem hits my 300tdi starting up!

The sluggish start I believe is due to the fuel draining back to the tank.
Now that my drive has remained dry for more than two minutes, I've noted a wet patch under the rear of the Lanny, on inspection it's diesel. Initially suspecting the fuel tank I'm leaning more to the fuel line having a leak that runs on to the tank, hopefully the cause of the sluggish start - I have another thread going on this!

However, the latest problem is with the starter motor.
As normal with the first start of the day, she takes a few turns before firing up and assuming she's not been left for too long she starts fine after that. But on Saturday she did something new! After a few turns, she stopped making the normal engine trying to start noise and instead started making a high pitch electric motor spinning noise. This didn't stop when I took the key out of the ignition.
After what seemed a long time of wondering how I'd stop the motor spinning, it slowed down and stopped it's self.

I tried again and the same happened, she tried to turn over a couple of times and then just made the high pitch spinning noise, this time with smoke from the starter motor area (I had the bonnet up this time!).

So, any suggest from this knowledgeable forum?
A friend thinks it's the solenoid and suggested starting it again but this time hitting the starter motor with a hammer!

So, I returned to try this with the aid of my wife at the wheel, but nothing, not even a click never mind a turn! So, what have I done now?

Being nervous of the starter doing things without the key and the smoke effects, I disconnected the battery, has this triggered the alarm/ imobiliser in someway? The fob appears to do it's thing and the alarm light on the dash goes out, but does this mean anything if I've removed the battery?

Oh, and my battery makes a hissing/ bubbling noise which I'm told could mean one of the cells is damaged. Apparently it's a new battery (I got the Lanny last November), but I was surprised to see it says leisure battery on it! I thought leisure batteries were for as they say, leisure, such as in caravans, but the battery does say "supreme starting power" on the side so perhaps I was wrong. Either way it sounds like the battery is faulty so I'll be getting a new one - what battery do you guys recommend?

Thanks for your help.

You will need another starter or replace the solenoid.
Your alarm wont work with the battery disconnected
Battery probably having a hissy fit due to having to turn the starter for so long....
 
Thanks Mike.

I know the alarm wont work without the battery, what I meant was has my disconnecting the battery caused the immobiliser to kick in and do I now need to enter the alarm code, or should it all work as normal once I reconnect the battery?
 
Thanks Mike.

I know the alarm wont work without the battery, what I meant was has my disconnecting the battery caused the immobiliser to kick in and do I now need to enter the alarm code, or should it all work as normal once I reconnect the battery?

Could also be a faulty ignition switch aswell :(
 
I'd suspect the starter relay is sticking. It should be the rightmost of the yellow relays under the fuses. Replace that and see if it still does it.

With smoke coming from your starter there is a good chance you've damaged it. Don't much like the sound of a bubbling battery either, it must have got pretty hot.

Re the leisure battery. Traditionally batteries were constructed to either be for starting (high current for a short duration) or leisure (low current for a long duration). I'm sure the Internet can bore you with articles about plate thickness etc if you google it. But some makes to cater for both uses in their construction. E.g. I have a couple of numax leisure batteries in mine, that quote a nice 1000amp cold cranking ampage. So they can do both jobs.
 
Thanks for the replies everyone.
My friend took her away this afternoon to sort her out.
Apparently she jump started and could be driven so not all bad!
I'll let you know what horrors he finds!
 
Well she's back and what a transformation!
No other issues were found to suggest why the starter failed so a reconditioned genuine LR starter was fitted.
This then proved that the starter was on its way out as the difference is amazing!

Before she was sluggish as if the battery was low and she was turning over slowly.
We linked this to a fuel leak, but the speed out of the new starter and the difference in her starting is, well I'll say it again, amazing!
She still has the fuel leak, but this doesn't appear to be an issue with starting anymore.
A real healthy starter noise and a good solid start!

Thanks for the comments everyone.
 

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