meego
Well-Known Member
Structural Adhesive is bloody expensive !! I looked at getting some for the new slam pillars on my 90 and ended up doing for a poor cheaper option. I should have used Tiger Seal I think as that stuffs brilliant.
hughdavies
Well-Known Member
New galv chassis and all bodywork welded cost me £8,000. Cambrian 4x4 refused to do the work till I took it in for a full inspection and a honest chat on the cost/worthit.
No idea on cost, we had several tubes left over from some trailer mods, so I used them.
Had not seen or used it up until then.
Wurth was the make.
Britcyclerider
Well-Known Member
I would repair that, even though lots of Discovery 2s are being scrapped for a lot less decay. Take a look at "Croker vs Rover" or "Church House Classics" (Range Rover Classic) YouTube channels if you want some motivation!
If you do go ahead, spend some time of drenching the inside of all box sections with Dinitrol. Remember, rust usually starts inside and works outwards, so an immaculate chassis exterior doesn't mean it's good inside!
Personally I would remove the body (not difficult on a Disco) and go right through it.
If you do go ahead, spend some time of drenching the inside of all box sections with Dinitrol. Remember, rust usually starts inside and works outwards, so an immaculate chassis exterior doesn't mean it's good inside!
Personally I would remove the body (not difficult on a Disco) and go right through it.
frostythor
Well-Known Member
yes Its repairable, and looking at the photos most of the damage is not very big,
Turboman
Mab An Gov
They may, or may not, like welding. Whether they like all the stripping out that comes before doing the welding is more questionable.
And whether they like it or not, it will still take a long time, and they have to pay someone, and the costs of running the garage, and have the garage space, which could be in use for another job, tied up for all that time while they are doing it.
hughdavies
Well-Known Member
As above, to do the bulkhead/inner wing everything inside and out has to be stripped off and back on, and with the body on the chassis makes it even more difficult/costly.
frostythor
Well-Known Member
looking at the photos, most of it is easily accessible, you may need to take a seat or 2 out and remove some carpet, as I had to do to weld up the foot well on both sides of my D2, I did the wiring loom side inner wing by wrapping the loom in a wet cloth an a piece of fire blanket, kept it wet, and only doing very small spot welds until it was completed, checking the loom for heat all the time
the fastest way is to just cut the rot out then plate over it, the best way is to cut out and fit in the new section and butt weld the joints, grind down back to original once painted and under sealed become in visible, just takes a bit more time
the fastest way is to just cut the rot out then plate over it, the best way is to cut out and fit in the new section and butt weld the joints, grind down back to original once painted and under sealed become in visible, just takes a bit more time
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Turboman
Mab An Gov
Great. You can buzz round the chap's house, do the job much cheaper, and still stick a good wedge in your pocket!
frostythor
Well-Known Member
if He was closer I would be happy to help, and it wouldn't be £5000 either
Disco-Skipper
Active Member
Croker vs Rover is a great channel, was already planning on going back over his D1 videos for some inspiration!
Unfortunately I dont really have the facilities to take the body off but I've had most of the interior out already at some point for various things so I'm not too worried about access for that
If I do go ahead and do it myself I'd definitely do it 'properly' and not just chuck a plate over a hole, the finished result being invisible would be great but the chances of that happening with my current lack of skill remain to be seen
Unfortunately I dont really have the facilities to take the body off but I've had most of the interior out already at some point for various things so I'm not too worried about access for that
If I do go ahead and do it myself I'd definitely do it 'properly' and not just chuck a plate over a hole, the finished result being invisible would be great but the chances of that happening with my current lack of skill remain to be seen
Turboman
Mab An Gov
Get some scrap steel, and practice for a few hours, on plates about as thick as Disco Bodywork.
MIG isn't all that difficult, if you can weld at all with an old type stick welder, you will master it in a few hours.
And plenty of paint and underseal covers up any imperfections on the first few plates.
hughdavies
Well-Known Member
Where in wales are you? Have a chat with Chris, Cambrian 4x4, Tel 07989 966740 He is near Lampeter. Nothing to do with me, he sorted my Disco out 5 years ago.
MJI
Well-Known Member
Is that the same bloke who dropped a TD5 into a TDCI Defender?
hughdavies
Well-Known Member
Dr Strangeglove
Well-Known Member
Welding is a naff job on vehicles. It can be dirty, difficult and uncomfortable to do - and it takes time!
Keeping an older land rover is a case of ongoing maintenance, but unfortunately you have been hit with a lot of work in one go. You need to understand that there will be more things in the future.
I have a Defender now, but before I had a RRC with a V8. I need the off road capability but the V8 made it too costly for longer trips so it limited its use as I also wanted to do longer trips. As it got to the needing welding stage it had to go due to cost to use ratio, but if it was a diesel I would have persevered.
You have to make a decision on what you can do based on cost, time and an area to do the work. Also having someone local that is willing to give you a bit of help and advice would be a big help as it will give you the confidence to do the work.
With welding vehicles, due to the areas you will have to work, you also need to consider your age and health. Getting into some areas requires an amount of contorting and if you are not the most flexible of people or suffer with your knees/back etc, then keep that in mind.
With learning to weld, and having the kit, at least you are potentially lowering future repair costs. It will make keeping the vehicle more viable - but you need to have the time to do it and also a suitable area to do it. If you live in a terraced house on a main street and have very little time on your hands then doing these kind of repairs is unlikely to be viable.
Learning to weld will be much quicker if you have someone that can at least get you started. I can't comment on new welders as I already have an old one and would not know my way around modern gear. If you want advice on gear ask here or on the mig welding forum.
It might be worth letting people know where you are too. If you are lucky you may have someone local that can give some advice and tips.
Good luck with your decision.
Mick
Keeping an older land rover is a case of ongoing maintenance, but unfortunately you have been hit with a lot of work in one go. You need to understand that there will be more things in the future.
I have a Defender now, but before I had a RRC with a V8. I need the off road capability but the V8 made it too costly for longer trips so it limited its use as I also wanted to do longer trips. As it got to the needing welding stage it had to go due to cost to use ratio, but if it was a diesel I would have persevered.
You have to make a decision on what you can do based on cost, time and an area to do the work. Also having someone local that is willing to give you a bit of help and advice would be a big help as it will give you the confidence to do the work.
With welding vehicles, due to the areas you will have to work, you also need to consider your age and health. Getting into some areas requires an amount of contorting and if you are not the most flexible of people or suffer with your knees/back etc, then keep that in mind.
With learning to weld, and having the kit, at least you are potentially lowering future repair costs. It will make keeping the vehicle more viable - but you need to have the time to do it and also a suitable area to do it. If you live in a terraced house on a main street and have very little time on your hands then doing these kind of repairs is unlikely to be viable.
Learning to weld will be much quicker if you have someone that can at least get you started. I can't comment on new welders as I already have an old one and would not know my way around modern gear. If you want advice on gear ask here or on the mig welding forum.
It might be worth letting people know where you are too. If you are lucky you may have someone local that can give some advice and tips.
Good luck with your decision.
Mick
davidwatson
Member
Hmmm, take a tip from someone who has been in this position - give in and look for a better one, the problem is now its £5000 plus all the bits they find when it starts to get repaired and then its going to want more next year and so on, i had mine re chassised at simmonites - its on there web site but ive now chucked about £30,000 and its okay but every other week it needs more spending, its a 2004 TD5 landmark and its done 60,000 miles , ive had it since it was almost new, its just had 2 air bags and a pump and its still sat on its arse overnight , so who knows - valve block next in the hope thats it, and it has oil coming out of the back of the transfer box, so that will be a seal and new handbrake shoes needs that doing as well. I wouldn't go this route again - i should have sold it off for spares or to someone who could do the re chassis at home and put £30,000 into a nice L405 thats going to be ten years newer, have a look around, but not at the newer evokes and discovery sport and the lads in the garage next door have a very dim view of them, in there words the engines are made of chocolate and everyone of them has an electrical gremlin
Disco-Skipper
Active Member
Everyones opinions and input has been a great help, I've got it back on the drive now and have had a good look over it
I am going to soldier on with it and am starting to look at welding supplies to get me started, I'll hopefully be somewhat handy by the time I'm done!
In the mean time I'm demoting it from daily driver duties and finding something cheap and reliable to take its place
I am going to soldier on with it and am starting to look at welding supplies to get me started, I'll hopefully be somewhat handy by the time I'm done!
In the mean time I'm demoting it from daily driver duties and finding something cheap and reliable to take its place
