ozzyboydeano
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just some seem to be a little upset it wasn't a turbo issue LOL what a shameDon't tar us all with the same brush, please
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ozzyboydeano
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wammers
while I was sweeping out my garage as apparently I'm a cleaner by trade LOL .. I came across this let me know when you come across a TD5 clean without any oil leaks
while I was sweeping out my garage as apparently I'm a cleaner by trade LOL .. I came across this let me know when you come across a TD5 clean without any oil leaks
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ozzyboydeano
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although I will agree but since I still own my silly old UK passport living in a bigger country puts your knowledge to the test
for example some places here in Australia has no phone reception ,,and the closest town is a 5 hour drive ..you need to learn quick and think out side the box ..45 degree c sun baking while trying to diagnose a fault isn't fun ( while the UK has heat wave of 30 c people drop down dead ) . ..to be honest my mechanics certificate from the UK means nothing in another country like Australia
there is a big difference when some one here in Australia says I only live up the road ..this could be a 3 hour drive compared to the UK version I only live up the road 300 metres away and be in the same street
I did find us mechanics in the UK had it to easy ..I found my self to be a fitter not a mechanic .like I say my cityand guilds tickets means jack ####
Gazbo
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Australia I understand is a big block of land, I've seen a fair bit of it in the last 67 years, remote....yeh I understand that too, living 2000 klms north of Brisbane on the pointy bit, some of us old blokes have actually seen some stuff and done some stuff.
You are right it can get hot, one of the mines I used to work i had daytime temperatures of 60 degrees C on the ground at the bottom of the open cut, 300 metres down,10 minutes out of the air conditioned cab of the "mine cruiser" 10 minutes back in, not a great place to have to take time to diagnose problems with a dozer, face shovel or dump truck.
My point is that diagnosing a particular issue is hard enough when you are on the spot and seeing, hearing, feeling the problem yourself let alone relying on someones percieved description of how it is, diagnosis, not the computer plug in type but the seeing, hearing, feeling type is a dying art.
ozzyboydeano
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I did some time at sunrise dam here in perth north of WA she sure does get hot ..specially with the large broom they give ya LOl
did allot of work on cats and komatsu and Volvo..i sweeped around them very good
came back to perth due as the brooms where just to large ..the company I work for can still send you out for a 4 to 6 hour drive I only go there clean up to make sure the mechanic has an easier job
some and most days come back drained LOL and all I do is sweep up LOL
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If you imagine a brake drum with a failing bearing!!
hey wammers I forgot my broom this day to sweep the mine sight or am I still pulling these pics from my bum hole ?????
lets hope I haven't forgotton the POMEY banter
Looks like you're farting big blocks!
ozzyboydeano
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sounds like the thrust bearing inside the torque convertor and the internals of the torque convertor is still moving after shut down or a dampener is failing inside the torque convertor
have you done a stall test on the transmission ? this test is only for pressures not a bearing test ..but a stall test could result in finding vibrations
wammers did mention about the torque convertor does not move after shut down this is true ..but inside the torque convertor there are other moving parts that move with inertia as its a fluid clutch type system
if it is a bearing issue monitor the debri inside the transmission sump collected to the magnet if there is allot of swarf there this is metal material.. from either a bearing or a gear but the sound coming from the bell housing area more than likely the TC
there is another way
remove the inspection plate ..while lying on your back have some one rev the engine and shut it down ..soon as the TC stops stick a long screw driver up though the hole and touch the TC while quickly putting your ear on the handle... by doing this the screw driver has become a stethoscope
PS run this test a few times while touching other things to pin point the sound
doing this test you might get some haters because you revved the engine ..but I envy you ...you have noticed a fault and you want to know what it is ..most of them wouldn't detect this faults until its to late
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The torque converter is filled with fluid from the gearbox sump as soon as the engine is started to provide drive. I cannot see that the driven plate would continue to turn through inertia against the resistance of the fluid for any appreciable time if the engine is stopped even from 2000 RPM. i would think it would stop at almost the same time as the torque converter stops. Bremble is the gearbox and torque converter man. He would be better on this subject. But as said earlier revving the engine to 2000 RPM then switching it off is not a very good idea for couple of reasons. It may in fact be forcing a fault which would not otherwise exist.
ozzyboydeano
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wammers back to the start as I knew I read the post correctly
to prove you wrong again lets wait
lets see marky results when he uses a screw driver as stethoscope ??
as for calling out people like Bremble ..HMMM where is he .hopefully this guys joins in and explains better than me how a TC works just that I don't have time to right a few pages
as for forcing the fault read back through the posts he isn't revving the engine for the fun of it
(give at a few moments to sink in) now you got it ........ but he noticed something not right
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like I say I envy this guy he found a fault or a fault accruing please help this guy ..instead of telling him the do and donts about revving the engine
to prove you wrong again lets wait
lets see marky results when he uses a screw driver as stethoscope ??
as for calling out people like Bremble ..HMMM where is he .hopefully this guys joins in and explains better than me how a TC works just that I don't have time to right a few pages
as for forcing the fault read back through the posts he isn't revving the engine for the fun of it
(give at a few moments to sink in) now you got it ........ but he noticed something not right
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like I say I envy this guy he found a fault or a fault accruing please help this guy ..instead of telling him the do and donts about revving the engine
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What sort of a up you own **** ******** are you? Don't talk out of your arse all the time for christ sake have a day off. If you advocate revving a turbo diesel automatic to 2000 RPM then switching the engine off you are a complete and utter pillock.
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ozzyboydeano
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obviously you never read the full post LOL
but finding an issue some time you need to bend some rules (the OP mentions he does not rev the engine he also mentions while driving he does not give the old girl a hard time )
I have broad shoulders so name calling is like water off a ducks back but ....your still thinking its a turbo issue (well good for you)
although I will agree to allowing a turbo to cool down to idle temps reason I have accumulator tank connected to my turbo (do you need proof)
but revving a TD5 only produces 2 psi ...not like under load to 17 psi then shut down a different story
ps not to sure what page you on but its a diagnose purpose only so name calling really shows your age or your true colours
so please stay on topic this guy has issues down below bell housing area whats your thoughts(or still whinging about the turbo shut down LOL)
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Shutting down any engine from 2000 RPM is a stupid move more so a turbo one. The only thing i said about the turbo was when someone else mentioned it as a possible problem, i said that maybe a good shout. A possibility NOT definitive certainty. Also shutting a torque converter down from 2000 RPM, which at that speed is being fully driven, may cause internal anomalies that are not present in a normal shut down from idle. My contention is that he is causing his perceived fault by doing what he is doing. Nothing more nothing less. Bemble is an acknowledged automatic transmission expert. He would know more about it than you or i would. As i said at the start i have never come across this before. But then again i have never revved an auto to 2000 RPM then switched the engine off.
ozzyboydeano
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Well it is the best way to shut an engine down. Why don't you try revving your TD5 until the governor kicks in then switching it off and see how long it lasts. Don't know about modern auto boxes but at one time revving automatics in neutral caused all sorts of failures.
Remember long ago when i did all the Model 35 box rebuilds at the place i was working. One lad fancied his chances at doing them, so the foreman gave him one to do. It was quite funny when he had put it back in and was under the bonnet manually revving the balls off a Triumph 2.5 Pi and it dropped into reverse and disappeared through the side of the workshop onto the car park. He didn't get another one to do.
ozzyboydeano
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"wammers, post: 3869383, member: 23201"]Well it is the best way to shut an engine down. Why don't you try revving your TD5 until the governor kicks in then switching it off and see how long it lasts. Don't know about modern auto boxes but at one time revving automatics in neutral caused all sorts of failures.[/QUOTE]
you still whinging about the correct way to shut down a turbo charged engine ..
if you want start off a new topic ..trust me I will be there to fill the blanks
your reading skills obviously not that good ..he has a rumble in the gearbox area and explained that he does not abuse the engine
I will copy and paste this incase I need to reply to you again ,,once you have read this ten times it might just sink in
just saying
ps you are like my wife ..exaggerate ....who mentioned 2000 rpm is the limiter or governor
since where in this thread was there a mention of a limiter or hitting the governor
just goes to show who is following the thread
you still whinging about the correct way to shut down a turbo charged engine ..
if you want start off a new topic ..trust me I will be there to fill the blanks
your reading skills obviously not that good ..he has a rumble in the gearbox area and explained that he does not abuse the engine
I will copy and paste this incase I need to reply to you again ,,once you have read this ten times it might just sink in
just saying
ps you are like my wife ..exaggerate ....who mentioned 2000 rpm is the limiter or governor
since where in this thread was there a mention of a limiter or hitting the governor
just goes to show who is following the thread
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you still whinging about the correct way to shut down a turbo charged engine ..
if you want start off a new topic ..trust me I will be there to fill the blanks
your reading skills obviously not that good ..he has a rumble in the gearbox area and explained that he does not abuse the engine
I will copy and paste this incase I need to reply to you again ,,once you have read this ten times it might just sink in
just saying[/QUOTE]
Not whinging about anything there is only one correct way to shut down an engine. Though you would know that, obviously you don't. You can't fill any blanks in my friend you don't know enough to do that, i have possibly forgotten more about mechanicing than you will ever know. Seems you are basically a bit of an arsehole.
