110widebody said:
Hi, and thanks for your reply.

I think the stretch and build up of kinetic energy (even if used very moderately) would be hugely useful on the soft peat where you really only get one shot - 'if you spin you're in'!!

It would be useful if Paddocks offered a little bit more of an explanation of their recovery items to be honest - I think it would be responsible to.

Cheers
Tom
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The downside to extracting vehicles out of peat using a kinetic strap is that if the bogged vehicle is extremely well bogged, a lighter recovering vehicle could be slung backwards into the peat rather than shifting stuck vehicle. If a heavier vehicle is used and the strap is put under a lot of pressure and the stuck vehicle still hasn't shifted, Summit else will have to give. Whether it be strap or chunks of vehicle ripped off, get hit by it and you will know about it.

I've seen a teleporter attempting to extract a stuck 4wd tractor stuck in a peat bog on the somerset levels. Luckily it was just the kinetic strap that was flying through the air but I still wouldn't have liked to get hit by it. :eek::eek::eek:
 
ratty said:
The downside to extracting vehicles out of peat using a kinetic strap is that if the bogged vehicle is extremely well bogged, a lighter recovering vehicle could be slung backwards into the peat rather than shifting stuck vehicle. If a heavier vehicle is used and the strap is put under a lot of pressure and the stuck vehicle still hasn't shifted, Summit else will have to give. Whether it be strap or chunks of vehicle ripped off, get hit by it and you will know about it.

I've seen a teleporter attempting to extract a stuck 4wd tractor stuck in a peat bog on the somerset levels. Luckily it was just the kinetic strap that was flying through the air but I still wouldn't have liked to get hit by it. :eek::eek::eek:
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I know what you're saying about the weights, though with the exception of the MF40 the rest weigh less than the landy. Last time that got stuck excavating a trench we had to jack it out inch at a time - she is a heavy old girl!

We're down on the Somerset levels too - near Glastonbury

Cheers
Tom
 
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110widebody said:
I know what you're saying about the weights, though with the exception of the MF40 the rest weigh less than the landy. Last time that got stuck excavating a trench we had to jack it out inch at a time - she is a heavy old girl!

We're down on the Somerset levels too - near Glastonbury

Cheers
Tom
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Most of the dealings I've had with peat bogs have been in the meare, west hay, shapwick, ashcott area. Luckily I've always had the vehicles in range of my winch/winch extensions.

Are you usually a long way out when you get em stuck or are you usually within a couple of hundred foot or so of hard standing?
 
I've seen people stretch a kinetic rope to the point that it was rigid and then keep pulling rather than let the elastic tension do it's thing. Might as well use an ordinary rope or strop.

(in his defence it was stuck in estuary mud and the tide was coming in :))
 
Them procomp straps are good but dont think theyre kinetic. I think they stretch to without addeing kinetic energy to the recovery to soften the impact on both vehicles unlike a lifting strop which will have no give and transfer all energy to both vehicles. Never used a kinectic strap and dont think i would either.
 
In my experience (Thorne and Hatfield Peat moors) a kinetic works first time, or fecks up completely and usually catastrophically, when something's stuck deep. A far better solution, though slower, is a steadily increasing pull, like a winch. Any towrope or strop needs the other vehicle to have traction which often isn't available.

OK, a winch needs an anchor point, but that can be a length of buried wood/tyre etc, and a handwinch is usually good enough. It doesn't even need to have a large pulling limit, just enough to keep tension on and keep increasing that tension while someone digs away to release 'stiction' on the stuck vehicle. In fact preparation can help immensely, digging out a bit can work wonders!

'course, a BFO Kinetic rope on a vehicle with decent traction is always good fun, thobut .. ;)
 
Paul D said:
In fact preparation can help immensely, digging out a bit can work wonders!
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Most of the recovery jobs I went on in the Army were completed with a shovel and a Tirfor.

Always very satisfying to hand a shovel to a hooray-henry vehicle commander and go and put the kettle on while they dig :)

Steve
 
Kinetic is much quicker than using a winch and or tirfor in the right circumstances.

As Paul said, if there is nothing to anchor the winch to then you may not have a choice but to try a kinetic snatch.

I pulled a guy off a disused railway a couple of years ago for LZiR, i tried with the winch and just ended up puling myself to him. Got the kinetic out, got a 5 foot run up and he came out in seconds.

Different circumstances require different approaches i feel.
 
BIG_GINGA_BEARD said:
Kinetic is much quicker than using a winch and or tirfor in the right circumstances.

As Paul said, if there is nothing to anchor the winch to then you may not have a choice but to try a kinetic snatch.

I pulled a guy off a disused railway a couple of years ago for LZiR, i tried with the winch and just ended up puling myself to him. Got the kinetic out, got a 5 foot run up and he came out in seconds.

Different circumstances require different approaches i feel.
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All good points............ but original question was with farm tractors, which can flip over back wards if not careful ( the one doing the pulling)
 
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