jamesmartin
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have you tried another motor
have you tried another motor
Hi Mozz, you had the Select Neutral message before we changed the motor here in the Isle of Man as you were stuck in low range. Saying you had accidentally moved the gear lever to low range whilst driving and moved it quickly back again. On taking your motor off and looking at it much later it wasn't going full travel and why it stuck in low range. When fitting the replacement motor I turned the shaft to align with the replacement motors position. On start up you were able to select both high and low ratios and no message or lights until you got back to the UK. You went to Emmotts and the tried another motor or two and swopped the ECU to no avail, I suggested they (as they were working on it) check the two connectors on the BECM (white on the transmission side and black on the front) at the same time some relays were changed?? and diagnostic machine attached? all seemed OK but its gone again and you sent the BECM to have it checked over but problem still....... I understand that Emmotts put back both motor and ECU you had!
May I suggest you try to select Neutral by using fuse 11 procedure again as at least the ECU will know where the transmission lever is. After, remove fuse 11 and try it?
ps it is quite easy to remove the motor and by putting a 12v supply to the plug you can drive it back and forth it you think it is back to front some way? to me it appears to only go on one way.
BECMs arenot easy to check unless they are loaded: check out http://www.turnerdiagnostics.co.uk/p38-becm.html
You now have leaking O rings wett carpet and sodden drivers side wiring tunnel?
Good luck my friend.
May I suggest you try to select Neutral by using fuse 11 procedure again as at least the ECU will know where the transmission lever is. After, remove fuse 11 and try it?
ps it is quite easy to remove the motor and by putting a 12v supply to the plug you can drive it back and forth it you think it is back to front some way? to me it appears to only go on one way.
BECMs arenot easy to check unless they are loaded: check out http://www.turnerdiagnostics.co.uk/p38-becm.html
You now have leaking O rings wett carpet and sodden drivers side wiring tunnel?
Good luck my friend.
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mozz smith
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Dek , ive been skypeing u but no answer , cheers mozz
Druim
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myfirstl322
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I had mine off to clean brushes etc, you must turn shaft on box to hard right, the master spline should be one o'clock on box side, set motor on unit by adding 12v power the correct terminals, can't remember which ( youtube vid by powerfuluk will show these), looking at motor spline drive, power it up until master female spline is at eleven o'clock, refit, should be plug n play, mine was. I think this is correct.
Also, connector is a bit of #### to align, check pins are not bent?
Also, connector is a bit of #### to align, check pins are not bent?
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mozz smith
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hi , any chance we could have a quick chat ???? if so I have P.M. you with my mobile and if you text me I will ring you !!!!!! cheers mozz
myfirstl322
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As mentioned in chat mozz, i thought it was an L322 issue,,
Info most likely does not apply to P38, Of which i have no experience of.
Info most likely does not apply to P38, Of which i have no experience of.
Datatek
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Mozz, the relationship between the transfer box motor, the switches in it and the position of the transfer box selector shaft is critical. Any part out of sequence will give you the fault you have.hi , any chance we could have a quick chat ???? if so I have P.M. you with my mobile and if you text me I will ring you !!!!!! cheers mozz
mozz smith
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ok lads LATEST UPDATE after much research and a few phonecalls I think im nearing the answer to the "select neutral" problem . having checked out some threads on here and on rangerovers .net and speaking to main manchesters dealer here follows NO1 the unit is called RATIO CONTROL MOTOR ,. THIS NEEDS SYNCHONISING VIA TEST4 DIAGNOSTICS AND THE REMEDY IS TO REMOVE SAID MOTOR AND TURN SPINDLE FUULY RIGHT INTO HI RATIO AND REFIT THE MOTOR THIS HAS THEN BEEN SET TO THE PARAMETERS THAT IS REQUIRED TO ALLOW PROXIMITY SETTINGS WICH ONCE IT HAS SATISFIED THE ECU;S THEN DASH MESSAGE DISSAPEARS AND FLASHING LIGHTS ON HI/LOW PLATE DISSAPEAR .JOB DONE ... SO AFTER A LONG PERIOD OF STRESS AND HITTING BLANK WALLS I HAVE IT BOOKED IN AT A WELL KNOWN GARAGE TOMMORROW SO WILL HOPEFULLY UPDATE YOU WITH A TOP RESULT !!!!!!! WATCH THIS SPACE AND KIND REGARDS TO EVERYONE WHO HAS TRIED TO HELP AND OFFERED ADVICE CHEERS MOZZ
I did post the Schematic with advice to meter out the 4 switchs and note the results so as to confirm where the motor is actually at!!There are four position switches in the motor. A combination of open/closed on these four switches tells the ECU where the selector shaft is at any particular time. There are nine possible positions the shaft can be in.
Datatek
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Diagnostics are not essential to synchronise the motor.
myfirstl322
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Are you American? Late to the party an all that..There are four position switches in the motor. A combination of open/closed on these four switches tells the ECU where the selector shaft is at any particular time. There are nine possible positions the shaft can be in.
myfirstl322
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Lmao
mozz smith
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hey up wammers !!!!!!! I thought u was quiet or on holiday or having a good sleep ,welcome back ..I don't have the ability to set the parameters etc so that's why its going in the morning ,but am gonna ask them not to bother putting it on diagnostics " therefore saving that cost ??? but just take it off and re-set it and re-fit it and charge me accordingly ????? will see what happens ....will update tomorrow, kind regards to everyone MOZZ
,welcome back ..I don't have the ability to set the parameters etc so that's why its going in the morning ,but am gonna ask them not to bother putting it on diagnostics " therefore saving that cost ??? but just take it off and re-set it and re-fit it and charge me accordingly ????? will see what happens ....will update tomorrow, kind regards to everyone MOZZ
hey up wammers !!!!!!! I thought u was quiet or on holiday or having a good sleep
Been busy Mozz, outside getting things ready for winter. So have missed some threads. Not sat on here all day. Hope they sort it for you.
mozz smith
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hi everyone !!!! well here's the update im happy happy happy !!!!!!!!!!!! complete result , a big THANKYOU to matt @ CARRIAGES AUTO SERVICES DROYLSDEN ,well he put it onto diagnostics found fault and fixed it accordingly ,,,apparently it was the switch in the RATIO CONTROL MOTOR which had to be set as per the proximity parameters " I think ive got this right !!!!!!! and not only that he shown me on the diagnostics how it happens ,,, well im over the moon and he didn't charge over the top so I was really pleased and happy with that ,so will now be using this garage in the future for servicing - mot - etc etc . plus you get free fresh brews as well a real nice bunch of lads . Im really grateful cos I had been to 2 other garages who charged me but didn't rectify the problem ?????????? wont be seeing them soon then !!!!!!!!!!!! any way alls well that ends well as they say and would like to say a big thank-you to all the LANDYZONE lads on here who gave their advice and help over the last 2 months having the hi/low problem ...you know who you are so to you all kind regards MOZZ
