BigJock2005 · Feb 1, 2010

Hope no-one minds me starting a new thread here cos I can't find my last one...

I am looking at trying to frig up a couple of recovery points on my P38 in prep for some offroading this weekend. A really simple (or maybe stupid) idea has ocurred to me.

If I remove the E14 torx bolts from the front bumper, and replace them with longer-shanked bolts, which will accomodate a 1/2" D-Shackle on the end, wouldn't this make an easy pair of recovery points?

Just need to know what the equivalent "M" for an E14 torx is, anyone?

Jock

SpudH · Feb 2, 2010

I'd be inclined to use that as a last resort, If it went wrong you'll make **** of the whole front of the Rangie, remember its only attached to the crush cans not direct to the chassis. Get the bolt you're talking about but only use it if the standard towing eye fails.

I honestly believe that the eye is a good bit stronger than people give it credit for. It's not suitable for repeated recovery or kinetic recovery but how badly stuck are you planning to get? If you get a shackle through it you'll help prevent a tearing action working against the welds and should be ok for a weekend greenlaning.

BigJock2005 · Feb 3, 2010

I was going to take it out tomorrow and check exactly what it's anchored to, but if as you say, it's not the chassis member, then you're right that it'll probably just bend things.

The other arrangement I saw was a 3m tow rope (heavy duty) attached to the two eyes on the chassis member underneath the vehicle with closing hooks. It was then lifted up onto the bonnet and attached at the end of the bonnet below the windscreen.

In the event of needing recovery this can then be used to pull the vehicle, as the load is spread to both chassis members. That looked quite efffective. Can do the same at the back.

Jock

Russ85 · Feb 4, 2010

A while back I got my P38 stuck on its belly. Firstly attached a normal rope to the towing eye - it snapped the rope. We then tried a kinetic rope, which did not budge the P38. Second try with the kinetic rope, and full bore from the trooper trying to recover me, broke the towing eye on the isuzu, send it flying back with a large D-shackle, through the P38 windscreen, past me head and out the back screen. (Pics are on here somewhere)

So as SpudH said above, the standard eye is much stronger than you'd think!

goonarmy · Feb 4, 2010

Russ85 said:
A while back I got my P38 stuck on its belly. Firstly attached a normal rope to the towing eye - it snapped the rope. We then tried a kinetic rope, which did not budge the P38. Second try with the kinetic rope, and full bore from the trooper trying to recover me, broke the towing eye on the isuzu, send it flying back with a large D-shackle, through the P38 windscreen, past me head and out the back screen. (Pics are on here somewhere)

So as SpudH said above, the standard eye is much stronger than you'd think!

Dont think id let anyone attach a kinetic rope to my motor!

SpudH · Feb 4, 2010

Russ85 said:
A while back I got my P38 stuck on its belly. Firstly attached a normal rope to the towing eye - it snapped the rope. We then tried a kinetic rope, which did not budge the P38. Second try with the kinetic rope, and full bore from the trooper trying to recover me, broke the towing eye on the isuzu, send it flying back with a large D-shackle, through the P38 windscreen, past me head and out the back screen. (Pics are on here somewhere)

So as SpudH said above, the standard eye is much stronger than you'd think!

Holy sh!t!!

Bet you had fun explaining that one to the Autoglas claims guy. Did you have much trouble cleaning the 'brown' stains off the seat

Here's a pic of me recovering my rangie using the towing eye. No problem!

BigJock2005 · Feb 6, 2010

Russ85 said:
A while back I got my P38 stuck on its belly. Firstly attached a normal rope to the towing eye - it snapped the rope. We then tried a kinetic rope, which did not budge the P38. Second try with the kinetic rope, and full bore from the trooper trying to recover me, broke the towing eye on the isuzu, send it flying back with a large D-shackle, through the P38 windscreen, past me head and out the back screen. (Pics are on here somewhere)

So as SpudH said above, the standard eye is much stronger than you'd think!

Spud - thanks for the laugh - I hope you weren't injured? I think you really need your wits about you using a kinetic rope, they can store so much energy they really can be dangerous.

I've tooled up with 2 3m heavy duty tow ropes, a 4m strop, two 3.5T shackles and a 4T hand winch. If that doesn't do it, then I am a certified t**t.

Jock

Russ85 · Feb 8, 2010

SpudH said:
Holy sh!t!!

Bet you had fun explaining that one to the Autoglas claims guy. Did you have much trouble cleaning the 'brown' stains off the seat

Here's a pic of me recovering my rangie using the towing eye. No problem!

Yes, Autoglass said thats the worst screen they've ever seen/replaced!
I had to the jig the frame back straight for them to replace it!

Had it valeted after to sort that

, very fine bits of glass went everywhere!!

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