Mulcaster1
Well-Known Member
Principles are fantastic - if you can afford them!!Fair enough, I wouldn't want reality to get in the way of your principles
Bobsticle
De Villes Advocaat
Are they the pumps with rubber toes.Principles are fantastic - if you can afford them!!
I think the change has to wait for Brexit to be completed unless the Bosh change it first.
Erubus
Member
So at what point does your truck actually become officially 40 years old? My v5 states that the approximate age of first registration was august 1980, but then I think the approximate first date of registration was august for all the cars Ive had that were older. Do I have to wait till August 2020 or are there records I can access to find the actual build date? It is conceivable that the truck could have been constructed in late '79 and sat about on a forecourt for 8 months, albeit unlikely.
I pay the tax on it monthly now - that way the DVLA has less opportunity to steal from you. Circumstances meant that I had to keep swapping between a couple of cars a couple of years ago which entailed several changes of which car was taxed because of the continuous insurance law. I ended up getting charged iirc 5 months tax for the one month because they kept starting it form the beginning of the month.
Anyway i digress, I pay the tax monthly, so is it just a case of keep paying the monthly amount until the August date comes around or a verified build date?
gill
I pay the tax on it monthly now - that way the DVLA has less opportunity to steal from you. Circumstances meant that I had to keep swapping between a couple of cars a couple of years ago which entailed several changes of which car was taxed because of the continuous insurance law. I ended up getting charged iirc 5 months tax for the one month because they kept starting it form the beginning of the month.
Anyway i digress, I pay the tax monthly, so is it just a case of keep paying the monthly amount until the August date comes around or a verified build date?
gill
julianf
Well-Known Member
I know this one, in some detail....
Its announced in the budget each year - "vehicals registered before.... " So it makes little difference in your case.
My 101 is 40 this month. But it wont become tax exempt until the next budget. People get confused, and say the exemption is "rolling" when its not, or not exactly.
With an ex mod vehical its more complex again, as the plate will probably be the demob date. Mine is L reg, which, without looking, makes it 82, i think.
So, whats required is to look up the chassis number, send that off with some money to the place that holds he records, get a certificate of build date back, then take that to the DVLA, then get a new number plate (as you cant have a plate that makes a vehicle seem younger than it is).... and then wait for the budget.
Im up to the stage where i have the build date certificate, but i have until april next year to complete the rest of it.
With regards to the MOT exemption -
Its not a whole load to sing about - a saving of £50 per year is nothing on the cost of vehical ownership. I fear that people are adding their cost of MOT repairs into their "saving" - which is kind of scary.
Its announced in the budget each year - "vehicals registered before.... " So it makes little difference in your case.
My 101 is 40 this month. But it wont become tax exempt until the next budget. People get confused, and say the exemption is "rolling" when its not, or not exactly.
With an ex mod vehical its more complex again, as the plate will probably be the demob date. Mine is L reg, which, without looking, makes it 82, i think.
So, whats required is to look up the chassis number, send that off with some money to the place that holds he records, get a certificate of build date back, then take that to the DVLA, then get a new number plate (as you cant have a plate that makes a vehicle seem younger than it is).... and then wait for the budget.
Im up to the stage where i have the build date certificate, but i have until april next year to complete the rest of it.
With regards to the MOT exemption -
Its not a whole load to sing about - a saving of £50 per year is nothing on the cost of vehical ownership. I fear that people are adding their cost of MOT repairs into their "saving" - which is kind of scary.
cornish rattler
Well-Known Member
cornish rattler
Well-Known Member
Are right originally you said L so thought it was a 70's Reg so if it's X then it's an 80's Reg
christofloffer
Member
so this is actually going to be a thing? next year my landy will be both tax an MOT exempt? its a 1977 ex-mod, released in 2003 but thankfully it already had the proper plate on it when i bought it.
i wonder if we will see a lot more vosa checkpoints around after that, i havent seen many around for the last few years. granted i am not particularly against the mot but i have known plenty of people who have scraped their vehicles through an mot and a month later i would have called it dangerous. at which point the mot is pretty worthless, but if the threat of a checkpoint is always there and the punishment is harsh enough then it would keep things more consistent i reckon. its double edged in every respect i guess.
i wonder if we will see a lot more vosa checkpoints around after that, i havent seen many around for the last few years. granted i am not particularly against the mot but i have known plenty of people who have scraped their vehicles through an mot and a month later i would have called it dangerous. at which point the mot is pretty worthless, but if the threat of a checkpoint is always there and the punishment is harsh enough then it would keep things more consistent i reckon. its double edged in every respect i guess.
Erubus
Member
Whenever i have been pulled over at a VOSA checkpoint there have been little in the way of safety checks. Usually a little Hitler-esque guy (actually he was more like the guy off "on the buses".) hitting the wheel nuts with a hammer and barking orders to operate the lights and wipers as well as the obligatory tank dip and lecture for not carrying every piece of paperwork pertaining to the vehicle from the date the metal left the foundry. The main worry was never that the vehicle be found un-roadworthy but the half hour you were stuck in a layby getting evils off the wee man on his power trip would arouse the ire of my boss for taking so long. Perhaps this is just my experience of a particular VOSA inspector though!
gill
gill
cornish rattler
Well-Known Member
So what happens after this date someone is driving round and for some reason gets pulled and they find something wrong with the vehicle will they have the vehicle taken off them or have chance to fix it and prove it's been fixed
neilly
Well-Known Member
I would assume the same as would happen with a vehicle that has to undergo a normal MOT assessment. What happens in the present situation?
Cheers
Erubus
Member
It should be fairly easy to find out. Pre 1960 vehicles have been MOT exempt for a wee while now. According to the document, only 6% of pre 1960 vehicles take them for voluntary tests. There must be some of those that have been pulled over and found not to be up to scratch.
The thing with a lot of land rovers is that they often look well used. Mine has a solid galvy chassis etc but the bodywork is battered and scored from 37 years of hard work. It would be an obvious target for the inspector. "Oh look at that heap, lets go over it until we find something". whereas a rotten old MG or the like, might look all nice and shiny driving past so the inspector looks all misty eyed as it drives past but it is actually held together by sellotape and rubber bands.
gill
The thing with a lot of land rovers is that they often look well used. Mine has a solid galvy chassis etc but the bodywork is battered and scored from 37 years of hard work. It would be an obvious target for the inspector. "Oh look at that heap, lets go over it until we find something". whereas a rotten old MG or the like, might look all nice and shiny driving past so the inspector looks all misty eyed as it drives past but it is actually held together by sellotape and rubber bands.
gill
Mulcaster1
Well-Known Member
you cannot drive any vehicle regardless of needing an MOT or not on the public highway with any known defect! sounds harsh but true!
ER1C
Well-Known Member
bollocks is it..............
"my ash tray doesn't stay closed"
"My window doesn't close fully"
"my seat doesn't adjust fully"
If its not safe, then yes, but that's not what you said and not what you meant.
blue beasty
Leaks an prone to bits dropping off
The driver is always responsible for ensuring the vehicle is roadworthy.
Looked into this in detail recently with regard to driving having failed an MOT but before a retest.
Even on the way home (place of repair etc) from a test where you are exempt from being charged with no MOT you CAN be charged with having an unroadworthy vehicle.
So nothing really changes except the requirement to have a piece of paper that states an opinion your vehicle was probably, mostly roadworthy on a specific date but might not be now.
Looked into this in detail recently with regard to driving having failed an MOT but before a retest.
Even on the way home (place of repair etc) from a test where you are exempt from being charged with no MOT you CAN be charged with having an unroadworthy vehicle.
So nothing really changes except the requirement to have a piece of paper that states an opinion your vehicle was probably, mostly roadworthy on a specific date but might not be now.
Mulcaster1
Well-Known Member
you missed one, your brain ------ it doesn't engage!
Common sense will also be required!
Mulcaster1
Well-Known Member
now trot on into the field and find an old Uwe and fill yer boots! Clearly what was being asked was safety related -
blue beasty
Leaks an prone to bits dropping off
We might need to start importing that
The thing that's important is roadworthiness.....whether known or not is the drivers responsibility at all times even if the vehicle is excepted from normal requirements.
cornish rattler
Well-Known Member
Read a similar post on OLLR forum and it mentioned about a 15% power increase and the vehicle would still need an M.O.T.
