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discomania
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May be wise, it's not my place to tell you to hold off, but when the update comes in you may be able to go in with a hell of a lot more information than you ever thought you would have available to you.
It may be worth going and simply listening this time round, offer no information - then again, perhaps it would reflect better on you, and put you in a much stronger position when you turn up knowing the full story.
It may be worth going and simply listening this time round, offer no information - then again, perhaps it would reflect better on you, and put you in a much stronger position when you turn up knowing the full story.
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with all due respect to CharlesY, who I have a lot of respect for, best to not go in all guns blazing until yu have time to verify what he says. Yu dont want to put yoself up for a libel or slander case unnecessarily.
Revenge comes sweeter when served cold. Make 150% of yo facts first.
Revenge comes sweeter when served cold. Make 150% of yo facts first.
May I also suggest that Charlesy sends his info via email or txt to you before publishing it on an open forum. Yu can then agree what to publish and what to keep to yoself.
It may be a mute point, but yu dont know who is reading this thread. Best to not give the opposition the chance to see your hand
It may be a mute point, but yu dont know who is reading this thread. Best to not give the opposition the chance to see your hand
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Irishrover
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May I also suggest that Charlesy sends his info via email or txt to you before publishing it on an open forum. Yu can then agree what to publish and what to keep to yoself.
It may be a mute point, but yu dont know who is reading this thread. Best to not give the opposition the chance to see your hand
Excellent point there MHM
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May I also suggest that Charlesy sends his info via email or txt to you before publishing it on an open forum. Yu can then agree what to publish and what to keep to yoself.
It may be a mute point, but yu dont know who is reading this thread. Best to not give the opposition the chance to see your hand
Don't think that really matters unless the dealer had the vehicle tested then was fortunate enough to buy it in an auction. There are two seperate issues here. The MOT that should never had been. And DID the dealer know of the condition before he sold it? Anything published about the MOT, which was done before the dealer bought at auction is a seperate issue.
Not necessarily
We do not know the complete circumstances....
It is possible that if the car is a ringer, and the seller knew that, and knows that jay knows that - then the easy option for him is to give Jay the money and dispose of the evidence.
It also depends what Jay wants out of this.....
Does he just want his money back and he aint worried what happens to the motor (it could be passed on to someone else) or does he want to screw the seller completely.
Of course we don't know to complete story. BUT unless the dealer bought the car at auction THEN put it through the test. He is not implicated in any devious MOT scam. Why he bought the car in an auction in Scotland when he is in London does need an answer but many auctions are internet based these days. So that could explain that. Unless the vehicle was in the posession of the dealer at the time of the MOT he would seem to have no case to answer.
So are crime syndicates. None of us know any of the story.
Yes i am aware of that. Lets wait to see what is revealed. But if you bought a vehicle over the internet unseen with a recent MOT you take a chance that it's reasonable. Maybe the other people at the auction can see it's duff and don't bid on it. Your responsibility starts when you pass it on knowing it is not roadworthy, that is what this dealer is guilty of in my view. Not everyone is as honest as some people you know.
Yes i am aware of that. Lets wait to see what is revealed. But if you bought a vehicle over the internet unseen with a recent MOT you take a chance that it's reasonable. Maybe the other people at the auction can see it's duff and don't bid on it. Your responsibility starts when you pass it on knowing it is not roadworthy, that is what this dealer is guilty of in my view. Not everyone is as honest as some people you know.
And this is the exact fact that the dealer is arguing, he is saying it isnt his responsibility as it had an MOT.
2 points here.....
1) an MOT is only valid as of the moment it is issued.
I think that MOT documents state that " items may fail soon after an MOT due to the test" - ie shocks etc.
2) it is a dealers legal responsibility to sell something that is "of merchantable quality" & "fit for use".
That vehicle does not appear to conform to either if those legal requirements, in my opinion. Unfortunately my opinion dont count for Jack ****.
1) an MOT is only valid as of the moment it is issued.
I think that MOT documents state that " items may fail soon after an MOT due to the test" - ie shocks etc.
2) it is a dealers legal responsibility to sell something that is "of merchantable quality" & "fit for use".
That vehicle does not appear to conform to either if those legal requirements, in my opinion. Unfortunately my opinion dont count for Jack ****
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Datatek
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2 points here.....
1) an MOT is only valid as of the moment it is issued.
I think that MOT documents state that " items may fail soon after an MOT due to the test" - ie shocks etc.
2) it is a dealers legal responsibility to sell something that is "of merchantable quality" & "fit for use".
That vehicle does not appear to conform to either if those legal requirements, in my opinion. Unfortunately my opinion dont count for Jack ****
You are right, the MOT is a separate issue to the vehicle been sold by a dealer in an unfit condition.
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