rasheed

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Wonder if I could pick your collective brains..

Lets start with what's been done. 3 years ago, replaced the accumulator with brand new Wabco unit. About 7 months ago, refurbed the ABS pump - pump side seemed fine, carbon brushes were worn and one of the little plastic brush holder arms was melted and deformed so the brush on that side had poor contact. I replaced the brushes and fabricated an arm from some kind of plastic fibre. Around the same time, flushed out all the brake fluid and put in brand new Castrol Dot4.

Now recently the pump runs a lot. Briefly but often. Symptom of a failing accumulator? Given the original lasted nearly 13 years I'm dismayed at the thought that the replacement has died so soon. Has this happened to anyone else?

Secondly, pump has started to occasionally seize. A tap with a spanner and it runs again. This led me to take it apart again and do a bit more work on my fabricated bits, they were sticking a little.. more on this in another post.

When I put the pump back of course I had to bleed the system. (what a pain!) and here was a big surprise. The fluid coming out was filthy. Ended up flushing the system again, used almost 4 litres. Where could all this dirt be coming from? Is it getting in from outside somehow? System has no leaks that I can find but still I wonder if this is somehow related to the inability to hold pressure. Can there be leaks that don't drip brake oil? Perhaps the filler cap on the reservoir, does it have a role re pressure?

As I've no way to independently check the accumulator I'd love to hear your thoughts before forking out another 100 or so for a new one, especially as that won't solve the black brake fluid problem I think!

Thanks fellas.
 
Could anything be getting in via the clutch cylinder? Any sign of leakage there?
 
Is it a P38? It uses the same reservoir for its fluid. If that was leaking then I guess some sirt might make its way up from the seal on the slave. Pretty long shot now I think about it as it'd have to make it back up the pipe to the reservoir.

The slave cylinder is on the side bell housing roughly under the driver's seat area.

J
 
Is it a P38? It uses the same reservoir for its fluid. If that was leaking then I guess some sirt might make its way up from the seal on the slave. Pretty long shot now I think about it as it'd have to make it back up the pipe to the reservoir.

The slave cylinder is on the side bell housing roughly under the driver's seat area.

J

That long shot is like someone hitting a target standing behind a tree in central park NY from the dungeons of the Tower of London. With a bow and arrow. :D:D:D:D:)
 
Cheers Grrrr. Slave cylinder has twice failed on my car, just due to the nature of the hard life it leads. Will try to check it over weekend.

Wammers, what an imagination! :)

So just to confirm, do I understand correctly that if there is a leak or a tear at the slave cylinder the brake system will lose pressure and make the pump run a lot?
 
That long shot is like someone hitting a target standing behind a tree in central park NY from the dungeons of the Tower of London. With a bow and arrow. :D:D:D:D:)
I could make that shot even with my trusty Longbow...!!:D:D:D:D
 

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Cheers Grrrr. Slave cylinder has twice failed on my car, just due to the nature of the hard life it leads. Will try to check it over weekend.

Wammers, what an imagination! :)

So just to confirm, do I understand correctly that if there is a leak or a tear at the slave cylinder the brake system will lose pressure and make the pump run a lot?

No it won't, the clutch other than drawing fluid from the main tank, has nothing to do with the pump.
 
Cheers Grrrr. Slave cylinder has twice failed on my car, just due to the nature of the hard life it leads. Will try to check it over weekend.

Wammers, what an imagination! :)

So just to confirm, do I understand correctly that if there is a leak or a tear at the slave cylinder the brake system will lose pressure and make the pump run a lot?


Maybe the nitrile diaphragm is decomposing in your new accumulator. Just because it was new does not mean it had not been sat on the shelf for 10 years:)
 
No it won't, the clutch other than drawing fluid from the main tank, has nothing to do with the pump.

Ok thanks for clearing that up. There is no loss of fluid or drop in level so I think Saint's arrow has thankfully missed.

Maybe the nitrile diaphragm is decomposing in your new accumulator. Just because it was new does not mean it had not been sat on the shelf for 10 years:)

You know I bet you're right. What a sh*t. I mean how can one possibly protect for that! :mad:

Anyway, just to summarise:

1. It seems there are plenty of ways for dirt to get in such as if boots at the calipers are not 100% and let moisture in. Secondly normal corrosion inside the brake lines. So the way to stop this might mean changing all the boots and lubricating the sliders etc EVEN THOUGH they don't seem to catch or leak at the moment.
2. Pump coming on often and system failing to hold pressure, in the absence of any other leaks has GOT to be the accumulator, yes?
 
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Ok thanks for clearing that up. There is no loss of fluid or drop in level so I think Saint's arrow has thankfully missed.



You know I bet you're right. What a sh*t. I mean how can one possibly protect for that! :mad:

Anyway, just to summarise:

1. It seems there are plenty of ways for dirt to get in such as if boots at the calipers are not 100% and let moisture in. Secondly normal corrosion inside the brake lines. So the way to stop this might mean changing all the boots and lubricating the sliders etc EVEN THOUGH they don't seem to catch or leak at the moment.
2. Pump coming on often and system failing to hold pressure, in the absence of any other leaks has GOT to be the accumulator, yes?

Forget about dirt or moisture getting into the system past seals it does not happen. Only place anything goes into the fluid is from the vent in the filler cap or the filler itself if you top up with dirty fluid. Fluid from the system should NEVER be put back in it. Always top up with fresh clean fluid.
 
Did you flush out and clean the reservoir when you repaired the pump?.
If not the muck in there has probably contributed to the colour of the brake fluid.
 
Other than sending 4 litres of fresh brake fluid through it, no. You reckon I should remove it from the car and clean it?
 

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