Paul D said:

There is a private conversation going on at the moment that is discussing this very subject and what rools/guidelines etc we NEED to introduce. There are very few rools that could/should/would be applied other than whatever happens it will still be an absolutely voluntary gentlemans agreement that we might attend and that anyone who does attend doesn't have to do anything they don't want to. There will be no obligation on anyone to do anything ....

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Yup & so far the only real useful bits to come from it so far is the express need for honesty from those needing assistance, what's happened, where are they, what are the ground conditions like, the reason this thread exists is from a plea for help where assistance was given from our volunteers, who were blatantly lied to by the OP about everything from location, to him having had Christmas dinner with Elvis.

The fact is, LZIR works, and a testament to the good and selfless tradition of Land Rover ownership it is, but it can only work and be beneficial to forum members when all parties are 100% honest, not just the people asking for help but volunteers need to be honest about their own skills & comfort levels when helping people, very little needs to change only the free flow of honest information, it won't stop people attending, I can guarantee that, but it might just help them to fully prepare for what they'll encounter when they get there.

You were expecting/Hoping for some changes.
These may or may not be what you expected, but here they are........

Statement of changes

It has been decided that, in view of recent actions taken under the LZIR bannner, that a few changes should take place.

These should only have a minimal impact to the operation of LZIR and comprise of the following :-

* There will be more checks carried out prior to anyone being asked to attend.
* There will be a certain, recomended, course of action on attendance to a "shout".
* The first responder will be in charge of the shout unless they wish to pass that responsibility to someone else.
This is to ensure that a concerted effort is maintained.
* Those in attendance will decide on action, if any, to be taken.
* It is recomended that all responders carry a waiver form to be signed by the person being recovered.


It cannot be emphasised strongly enough that although there is now a team of volunteers to scrutinise the incoming data,
this is a LZ thing and anyone can ask Q's of the requester. The primary object being the safety of LZ members that may respond.
Once the initial querying of the requester.... where are you, urgency, type of recovery,etc is answered to our satisfaction,
then local LZIR volunteers will be notified. If any wish to attend, then the shout will be on, subject to and ONLY TO those that attend.
Again, It has to be understood that any prospective recovery WILL ONLY TAKE PLACE if those, attending the scene are completely happy with the circumstances.
The "shout" can be cancelled or postponed at any time those on site decide to do so. THERE IS NO OBLIGATION TO FULFILL THE "SHOUT".

Thought thats wharit wor any road. You've just added you'll ask a bit more from the stranded.

Nowt at all about at what point we can take a stick to em.

Bobsticle said:

Thought thats wharit wor any road. You've just added you'll ask a bit more from the stranded.

Nowt at all about at what point we can take a stick to em.

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Not a lot has changed true enough other than a focus on the flow of information.

We like threads to be far more pic heavy and descriptive in real time as situations evolve. It will be asked for and expected from both people asking for assistance and people responding.

I think it'll help not only make sure that the right vehicles/people/equipment arrives but will give the opportunity for others to make suggestions of how best to proceed....or not.

Even if comms are bad and blow by blow pics and descriptions aren't possible until after the fact I hope it'll encourage people to think through situations before they get in trouble.

The threads could become a really useful learning resource.

Can I volunteer to work in the crisis suite?

doriz said:

Can I volunteer to work in the crisis suite?

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You can field all the "calls"

Hello, hello, LZIR Rosemary speaking...

private penguin said:

Maybe we could all just be adults and recognise the limitations of a) our own abilities and b) the abilities of our vehicles.

A D3 on ATs without a winch may be less well equipped for recovery than a 90 truck cab on mud tyres with a winch, ground anchor, etc... but the 90 truck cab might struggle to bring a whole family down off a hillside in a safe legal way!

However, an experienced off road driver with recovery experience in the D3 may well do a better job than a complete novice in the 90. It's not always about the vehicle. A few years back we recovered a stuck XC90 (whistles quietly) from a boggy field on christmas eve using a 1998 nissan almera, a basic tow strap, and some old carpets.

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Have yer got any pic's of the magic carpets recovering the Volvo?

Hippo said:

Have yer got any pic's of the magic carpets recovering the Volvo?

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Alas no... the carpets were being used to stop weed growth on the vegetable plots, so we pulled them up and put them down by the field entrance to allow us to get the almera in without it also getting bogged down, plus some bits in front of the volvo to get it some grip once we had pulled it forward

That was the day we discovered the 4wd on the volvo didnt work!