Shippers said:
What a load of crap you have just uttered...the vehicle was stolen in England why would Scottish Police Service be involved?
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I eggscept yer critique and wish to discuss this further.

I ask two questions:

1. Why shouldn't his local police force get involved and help him? He lives int Scotland.

The fact they're funded differently doesn't take away the minor detail you haven't spotted... The theft happened at his house in Scotland. That's right, it was taken by deception in Scotland from his house. They collected the vehicle from him with we believe the intention of not giving it back. You need to be very clear on this point as part of the rules around theft int court are dependent on whether their intention was to give it back or not.

It is not known where the vehicle went after collection from his house int Scotland. Police Scotland have access to the ANPR system up there and should int theory be able to trace the merc and possibly the Disco that day. That's if the plates were clear, visible and not changed. It's not unusual for vehicles int transit on recovery vehicles to have their plates snapped by ANPR.

The merc has been traced back to Wolverhampton and there's concern over catching them out on tax/mot but that's pointless as it doesn't need it for it's current location.

2. Has it been stolen? If so then provide proof to back this up.

These people are clever. They have done this many times. They have also been arrested in the past as per news reports. But they get away with it. How?

Engine replacement and collection/delivery. Price paid £8k. To hire a recovery truck to do said collection would cost £1400 at the cheapest end of the market. They have to do that trip twice from the same money. That makes the engine work roughly one quarter of the price of the main lr dealer who was said to want £20k.
 
Hippo said:
I eggscept yer critique and wish to discuss this further.

I ask two questions:

1. Why shouldn't his local police force get involved and help him? He lives int Scotland.

The fact they're funded differently doesn't take away the minor detail you haven't spotted... The theft happened at his house in Scotland. That's right, it was taken by deception in Scotland from his house. They collected the vehicle from him with we believe the intention of not giving it back. You need to be very clear on this point as part of the rules around theft int court are dependent on whether their intention was to give it back or not.

It is not known where the vehicle went after collection from his house int Scotland. Police Scotland have access to the ANPR system up there and should int theory be able to trace the merc and possibly the Disco that day. That's if the plates were clear, visible and not changed. It's not unusual for vehicles int transit on recovery vehicles to have their plates snapped by ANPR.

The merc has been traced back to Wolverhampton and there's concern over catching them out on tax/mot but that's pointless as it doesn't need it for it's current location.

2. Has it been stolen? If so then provide proof to back this up.

These people are clever. They have done this many times. They have also been arrested in the past as per news reports. But they get away with it. How?

Engine replacement and collection/delivery. Price paid £8k. To hire a recovery truck to do said collection would cost £1400 at the cheapest end of the market. They have to do that trip twice from the same money. That makes the engine work roughly one quarter of the price of the main lr dealer who was said to want £20k.
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The vehicle in my opinion was handed over with keys by the owner to be taken to a destination agreed by him.As it has not been returned it is assumed stolen from that agreed place, therefore the crime occured there and reported there.I am sure Scottish Police would help if asked but it would imo be hard to prove that it was their intention at the time of collection this would be the outcome and the Procurator Fiscal would likely agree.
 
Christ I've just read some reviews people have written online, and they are All saying the same, absolutely fraudulent! I can't believe something official hasn't been done! I mean the shìtty cowards are ripping people off left right and centre, it can only be a matter of time before they get their comeuppance, absolute bellends
 
Gottschalk said:
Christ I've just read some reviews people have written online, and they are All saying the same, absolutely fraudulent! I can't believe something official hasn't been done! I mean the shìtty cowards are ripping people off left right and centre, it can only be a matter of time before they get their comeuppance, absolute bellends
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It’s not called organised crime for no reason!!
 
tom1979 said:
It’s not called organised crime for no reason!!
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But where do you think the actual crime was commited @Hippo suggests in Scotland but if you ask someone to pick your vehicle up and give them the keys and at some point 8k and wave it good bye to be taken to a garage you agreed it would be repaired at in England when it's not returned which police force do you contact.
 
If a scumbag from Bolton were to drive to Scotland and break into the OP's house, by smashing the kitchen window to gain entry... then stole the TV from said house... then drove home to Bolton...

The crime would have occurred in Scotland. The scumbag may live in Bolton and operate from his home address selling his gains. But the crime happened int Scotland. So the initial investigation of damage to enter and items taken should start there.

We assume the OP agreed a price for collection, repair and return of his car. From comments obtained online from peeps who we believe to be previous customers of the same "outfit"... we know they either ask for more money, fob you oft to delay things... or sometimes carry out agreed work. The work may not always be up to standard or include doing what was first agreed.

The big problem ere is proof of what was agreed. Is this written down and presented beforehand with respect to price and who was doing the work. Company letter head etc. There is a picture of the "jeep" int bits but unless we get conformation it was actually his car at their workshop int Wolverhampton, then we don't know for sure it ever went there. The company we're told he talked to about the repair who are believed to have collected the car operate from that location but we still don't know if the car ever went there.

If I were nicking cars like this I would want to delay the owner while I carry out what I want to do. Then ignore the owner to increase the delay. Where the police are concerned there could be an issue of "it's not our problem" because they see it as a purchase which has gone wrong. Like buying a toaster and finding out the box is empty. they may say it's a civil matter and not help.

If they were intent on not giving back the vehicle then the theft occurred at his house int Scotland. I have concerns over the "receipt" provided on collection. If he asked for one and the driver gave his surprised look then said I can do this, then offered a receipt... what does it say. Bearing in mind they were collecting a vehicle for repair and return... the following is correct:

Collect jeep requiring repair. Vehicle not driveable. Price as agreed £8k.

This"outfit" is obviously many steps ahead of the people who put their trust in them. Looks like they have done this many times. They prefer to deal with people who live a significant distance away. The above one liner is also valid as a receipt to buy the vehicle oft the OP as broken for the value of £8k. I wonder if they turn round and he backed away from the repair jon and said he was going to sell it so they offered him a price and he took it. Sounds stupid but they have done this before and got away with it with no comeback.

It's easy to poke fun at his mistakes but the crux of the problem is did he get enough in writing to prove what was being agreed. What did the receipt for collection say. Why did the "outfit" stop taking his calls and emails. Is this because they wanted more money and he refused.

The OP doesn't know where his vehicle is. It's not in the car park where he believes they took it unless it's had it's plates changed. It could be inside out of sight but we'll never know. There's only 3 possible outcomes to this.

1. proves breach of contract and takes them to court
2. convinces the police to look into it as he believes it has been nicked via deception (like a conman at the door wanting to check yer gas supply)
3. trading standard catch up with them and screw them due to poor business practice at a later date

It's possible there's no police response due to a current investigation they don't want to advertise. At the end of the day police Scotland should be the first force to investigate. It's was stolen in their area. How much interest and detail they took would give you a clue to their level of interest.

I assume the garage operate in such a way as to make comeback difficult due to lack of paperwork and detail.
 
Hippo said:
If a scumbag from Bolton were to drive to Scotland and break into the OP's house, by smashing the kitchen window to gain entry... then stole the TV from said house... then drove home to Bolton...

The crime would have occurred in Scotland. The scumbag may live in Bolton and operate from his home address selling his gains. But the crime happened int Scotland. So the initial investigation of damage to enter and items taken should start there.

We assume the OP agreed a price for collection, repair and return of his car. From comments obtained online from peeps who we believe to be previous customers of the same "outfit"... we know they either ask for more money, fob you oft to delay things... or sometimes carry out agreed work. The work may not always be up to standard or include doing what was first agreed.

The big problem ere is proof of what was agreed. Is this written down and presented beforehand with respect to price and who was doing the work. Company letter head etc. There is a picture of the "jeep" int bits but unless we get conformation it was actually his car at their workshop int Wolverhampton, then we don't know for sure it ever went there. The company we're told he talked to about the repair who are believed to have collected the car operate from that location but we still don't know if the car ever went there.

If I were nicking cars like this I would want to delay the owner while I carry out what I want to do. Then ignore the owner to increase the delay. Where the police are concerned there could be an issue of "it's not our problem" because they see it as a purchase which has gone wrong. Like buying a toaster and finding out the box is empty. they may say it's a civil matter and not help.

If they were intent on not giving back the vehicle then the theft occurred at his house int Scotland. I have concerns over the "receipt" provided on collection. If he asked for one and the driver gave his surprised look then said I can do this, then offered a receipt... what does it say. Bearing in mind they were collecting a vehicle for repair and return... the following is correct:

Collect jeep requiring repair. Vehicle not driveable. Price as agreed £8k.

This"outfit" is obviously many steps ahead of the people who put their trust in them. Looks like they have done this many times. They prefer to deal with people who live a significant distance away. The above one liner is also valid as a receipt to buy the vehicle oft the OP as broken for the value of £8k. I wonder if they turn round and he backed away from the repair jon and said he was going to sell it so they offered him a price and he took it. Sounds stupid but they have done this before and got away with it with no comeback.

It's easy to poke fun at his mistakes but the crux of the problem is did he get enough in writing to prove what was being agreed. What did the receipt for collection say. Why did the "outfit" stop taking his calls and emails. Is this because they wanted more money and he refused.

The OP doesn't know where his vehicle is. It's not in the car park where he believes they took it unless it's had it's plates changed. It could be inside out of sight but we'll never know. There's only 3 possible outcomes to this.

1. proves breach of contract and takes them to court
2. convinces the police to look into it as he believes it has been nicked via deception (like a conman at the door wanting to check yer gas supply)
3. trading standard catch up with them and screw them due to poor business practice at a later date

It's possible there's no police response due to a current investigation they don't want to advertise. At the end of the day police Scotland should be the first force to investigate. It's was stolen in their area. How much interest and detail they took would give you a clue to their level of interest.

I assume the garage operate in such a way as to make comeback difficult due to lack of paperwork and detail.
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Total crap you spout...and by the way youv'e now branded a disco owner as a jeep owner.. expected from a possibly I want to be a proper Land rover owner...
 
Shippers said:
Total crap you spout...and by the way youv'e now branded a disco owner as a jeep owner.. expected from a possibly I want to be a proper Land rover owner...
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That's the second time you have come back with an unhelpful answer. If you would like to eggsplain the bit yer dun't understand, dun't agree with or know better of?

How about we have another go. The contractual terms and events are as follows:

OP agrees with someone in France to repair his car. They travel from France to Scotland, collect said car then drive back to France where the work is believed to be carried out. The company is French and registered there for tax etc.

Where did the theft occur and which countries police force should investigate first?
 
Hippo said:
That's the second time you have come back with an unhelpful answer. If you would like to eggsplain the bit yer dun't understand, dun't agree with or know better of?

How about we have another go. The contractual terms and events are as follows:

OP agrees with someone in France to repair his car. They travel from France to Scotland, collect said car then drive back to France where the work is believed to be carried out. The company is French and registered there for tax etc.

Where did the theft occur and which countries police force should investigate first?
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Yep your a ****..that's why you own a a freelander..enjoy.
 
Shippers said:
Total crap you spout..
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Just the sentiment I felt tempted to reply to you on another thread but I'm not that intolerant and coarse.
Just out of interest, have you worked out the difference between Child Protection and Education yet?:) Let's hope you don't let any children tell you how to do your job 'cos remember, you must listen to them!!!:D:D:D
 
Shippers said:
Yep your a ****..that's why you own a a freelander..enjoy.
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Coming back with these silly retorts isn't going to help the OP now is it. This is a serious problem which looks like it's going to cost him a lot of money.

The problem here is he entered into a civil contract based on what was agreed prior to collection of vehicle. The company involved have not continued their side of the agreement. At this point communications has stopped. Going by others who have had problems with the same garage... it looks like they have done the same to him. Vehicle disappears and monies paid with it.

At what point does the matter change from civil to criminal? From contract to provides goods or a service, to theft? This is quite important as I think you will find the insurance company will be looking into the detail of this being theft or not. They stand to loose £15k+ so quite important. Police will only investigate crime. They don't do civil matters.

A number of others who have had problems have refused to pay extra money demanded by the garage. We are unaware if this is a fair demand or not, for additional work they didn't know of. If this were you're typical LR main dealer in England and you handed over a car for repair, bearing in mind the terms and conditions of sale... and refused to pay the original bill... then what happens next?

The garage try to take control of some of the cars to sell them. Others have reported this view review on said garage. Think about it.

I referred to "jeep" because the OP does. I'm not clear if he was sent a photo of his D4 on the ramp or of someone else's jeep.
 
Hippo said:
That's the second time you have come back with an unhelpful answer. If you would like to eggsplain the bit yer dun't understand, dun't agree with or know better of?

How about we have another go. The contractual terms and events are as follows:

OP agrees with someone in France to repair his car. They travel from France to Scotland, collect said car then drive back to France where the work is believed to be carried out. The company is French and registered there for tax etc.

Where did the theft occur and which countries police force should investigate first?
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What's France got to do with what
derwendolly said:
Just the sentiment I felt tempted to reply to you on another thread but I'm not that intolerant and coarse.
Just out of interest, have you worked out the difference between Child Protection and Education yet?:) Let's hope you don't let any children tell you how to do your job 'cos remember, you must listen to them!!!:D:D:D
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Really youv'e know idea about my past working in social care
 
Shippers said:
What's France got to do with what
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You seem to have a problem with Scotland not being responsible to be first to investigate what we believe to be a crime. Scottish law is different to law for England and Wales. But some of it crosses over and has the same effect. Rules on how the police operate and what they choose to do are also different.

To remove any difficulty in the investigation requiring help from two different countries which are part of the UK, I changed one of them to France to make the divide in responsibility more clear.
 
Well done! But that still does not tell me if you have found out the difference between Child Protection and Education.:rolleyes:
 
wattfield said:
If the vehicle changed hands in Scotland that's where it was stolen from, if that was the intent.
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At what point does IF become WAS in reporting a theft it's not like the op came out in the morning and his Disco was gone he agreed to it being taken away.
 
At what point does the matter change from civil to criminal? From contract to provides goods or a service, to theft? This is quite important as I think you will find the insurance company will be looking into the detail of this being theft or not. They stand to loose £15k+ so quite important. Police will only investigate crime. They don't do civil matters.

Re-read your post (was on a long lunch yesterday with some good wine)and that point you made is correct when and where did it change from civil to theft I would suggest if there was contact with the lowlife scum after they picked the vehicle up and took it to England then the theft was there.The insurance company would not be interested in a theft report and cctv from Scottish Police due to the fact that it would be irrelevant as they know who stole the vehicle and where it went.
 
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