In article <1149507242.479301.87890@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
drystone@swiftdsl.com.au says...
>
> Dave Liquorice wrote:
> ....
> >
> > **** happens, but the attitude of Customer Care leaves a little to be
> > desired but that may be down to a reaction against your apparently
> > agressive attitude. If you want people to do things for you, don't upset
> > them. Human nature being what it is means that some one annoyed by
> > someone will do the minimum required (or by the book). Get them on your
> > side and more stops are likely to be pulled out to assist you and get you
> > what you want.
> >
> > --
> > Cheers new5pam@howhill.com
> > Dave. pam is missing e-mail
>
> I agree with you Dave. I was polite to all I spoke to at Land Rover
> Customer Care and thought that they would understand the severity of
> our experience. Several did understand and could put themselves in our
> shoes, however the ones that had the power to make things better chose
> to not to. Thus it seems to me that the latter were thinking about the
> bottom line rather than their customer; i.e. they didn't seem to "care".
>
>
Should have bought a Lada. It opens the other way.

Al
--
I don't take sides.
It's more fun to insult everyone.
http://kwakakid.cjb.net/insult.html
 
D Walford wrote:
> Zodiac wrote:
>
>> The secondary bonnet catch is useless in this situation as the actual
>> bolting mechanism has come off.
>>
>
> Correct, I didn't look at the photos the first time around.
> IMO thats not a good design, the secondary catch is supposed to stop the
> bonnet flying open if the first catch fails but it can't work if it all
> falls off.
> BTW I went and looked under the bonnets of my 2 Toyota's (Hilux and
> Corolla), the bonnet latches are a different design but if the bolts
> came loose then the result would be the same as what happened to the
> Disco so the Toyota design isn't really much safer.

The Saab 9-5 my Dad drives has a peg on either side; both lock in rather
like a padlock, so both would have to fail before it pops up... and then
there's still a latch in the middle. All three are welded separately to
the bonnet.

A design feature that, it seems, Land Rover and Toyota would do well to
consider.
 
On or around 5 Jun 2006 03:57:24 -0700, "drystone@swiftdsl.com.au"
<drystone@swiftdsl.com.au> enlightened us thusly:

>
>Austin Shackles wrote:
>....
>> >
>> >The most important issue for me and my family is, why did this
>> >accident happen? Furthermore, what will stop it happening again?
>>
>> loctite on the bolts. They shouldn't be able to come loose.
>>
>That was my thought too, but the smash repairer said then they'd never
>be able to be undone, if required (when would that be?). He suspected I
>bought a "Friday afternoon" car, and that possibly some spring washers
>were omitted.

you can get the sort of loctite that's undoable. and anyway, how often does
the bonnet catch need undoing?
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
If all be true that I do think, There are five reasons we should drink;
Good wine, a friend, or being dry, Or lest we should be by and by;
Or any other reason why. - Henry Aldrich (1647 - 1710)
 
On Mon, 05 Jun 2006 14:35:12 +0100, Austin Shackles
<austinNOSPAM@ddol-las.net> wrote:


>
>you can get the sort of loctite that's undoable. and anyway, how often does
>the bonnet catch need undoing?

222 Screwlock - Pink - readily undable, but vibration of in the order
of a Challenger 2 tank will cause bolts to loosen.

242 Nutlock - Blue. Less readily undoable, and suitable grade to apply
to bolts which have been loosened by vibration in the order of a
Challenger 2 tank.

270 Studlock - Green. Practically permanent.

Although most grades of Loctite are softened by temperatures in excess
of 120 - 130 C ish.

HTH

David
 
On 2006-06-05, Rainbow Warrior <pizza@sbs.com.fr> wrote:

> Nah, the weight of the spare tyre, shovel & pick guaranteed mine to never
> lift, I pretty much avoided lifting it as much as I could rarely saw any
> good news in there :)

Blimey, I don't fancy hitting something front-on in your car, what
with all that lot coming through the windscreen at you!

--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
 
drystone@swiftdsl.com.au came up with the following;:

> Has anyone heard of this happening to Land Rovers?

Not mine, but the front corners of the bonnet do move somewhat alarmingly at
speeds above 60mph on the motorways.

> The most important issue for me and my family is, why did this
> accident happen?

It does look like you [1] just haven't spotted the bolts and catch are loose
when you've been doing the normal, everyday checks we [2] all do.

> Furthermore, what will stop it happening again?

The normal, everyday checks we all do, but add one, for your own piece of
mind, that includes checking the bonnet release. Actually I have to spray
mine regularly with WD40/Plusgas etc to keep it free .. it always seems to
stiffen up after a few weeks.

[1] I do also mean any service 'personnel' who might have been doing the
servicing.

[2] That's the royal 'we', I don't pretend to speak for everyone, but mean
'we' as a family of drivers. :)

--
Paul ...
(8(|) Homer Rules ..... Doh !!!


 
On Mon, 05 Jun 2006 15:30:19 +0200, Torak <perry_awm@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>The Saab 9-5 my Dad drives has a peg on either side; both lock in rather
>like a padlock, so both would have to fail before it pops up... and then
>there's still a latch in the middle. All three are welded separately to
>the bonnet.
>
>A design feature that, it seems, Land Rover and Toyota would do well to
>consider.

Proper saabs have backwards bonnets too!

The bonnet on my old saab has popped up at the front over pot holes
before and stopped on the second latch. It acts like a big air brake
;)
 
On Mon, 5 Jun 2006 12:02:08 +0100, "SimonJ" <me@mine.net> wrote:

>> The same thing has happened on my 2A at 60mph.
>>
>> I really almost did have to change my trousers afterwards!
>>
>60mph in a 2A?
>Definitely a brown trouser moment, even without the bonnet coming open!

Downhill on the dual carriageway the first time (made me start using
the locking hasp too), then on a clear stretch of road (also downhill)
right after my MOT when he hadnt clipped it back again.

The second time, the force of the bonnet hitting made my side window
fall out so not only did i almost have dirty trousers but a bruise on
my head from the window!

 
Magic Mushroom Farmer <jjbruce@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> drystone@swiftdsl.com.au wrote:

>> ...
>> Since the car has done <60 000 km I didn't think loose bolts would be
>> an issue; and if they were, I thought Land Rover would note it in the
>> manual and/or inspect these bolts at service.
>>
> Nah......you might aswell check that you have your cloths on.
> You need Bonnet Pins

and some simple fear - it's a great safety feature. having had exactly
this happen to me in a MKIV zephyr/zodic/whatever way back when a youth I
constantly monitor bonnet status just as I monitor where traffic is around
me, coolant temp, etc....

When the 110 decided to release the bonnet it was caught nicely by the
secondary catch - failure was sticky release cable.

--
William Tasso

110 V8
 

<drystone@swiftdsl.com.au> wrote in message
news:1149488362.500342.305070@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Travelling at 60 km/h on the Glow Worm Tunnel Rd, Newnes State Forest
<SNIP>
>
> Has anyone heard of this happening to Land Rovers?

**Well, it is a Pommy car, you know. Why are you surprised that the Poms
still build crap vehicles? The only other time I am aware that this occurred
was when my high school girlfriend was having a driving lesson with one of
my mates. His Morris Minor lost it's bonnet in the same way. Flew right over
the top of the car, after hitting the windscreen. My girlfriend was lucky to
survive.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au



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Austin Shackles wrote:
......
> >That was my thought too, but the smash repairer said then they'd never
> >be able to be undone, if required (when would that be?). He suspected I
> >bought a "Friday afternoon" car, and that possibly some spring washers
> >were omitted.
>
> you can get the sort of loctite that's undoable. and anyway, how often does
> the bonnet catch need undoing?
> --

Yeah, I agree. That's an option that I like.

 
Trevor Wilson wrote:

<Snipped antipodean racist ****e>


knobhead> My girlfriend was lucky to survive.

You sure about that ****?

>
>
> --
> Trevor Wilson
> www.rageaudio.com.au



--

Subaru WRX
Range Rover 4.6 HSE (The Tank!)

We might be going on a summer holiday, the Greece Ball rally!!!!


 
On or around 5 Jun 2006 13:52:19 -0700, "drystone@swiftdsl.com.au"
<drystone@swiftdsl.com.au> enlightened us thusly:

>
>Austin Shackles wrote:
>.....
>> >That was my thought too, but the smash repairer said then they'd never
>> >be able to be undone, if required (when would that be?). He suspected I
>> >bought a "Friday afternoon" car, and that possibly some spring washers
>> >were omitted.
>>
>> you can get the sort of loctite that's undoable. and anyway, how often does
>> the bonnet catch need undoing?
>> --
>
>Yeah, I agree. That's an option that I like.

they put blue loctite or simialr on brake caliper bolts on some stuff.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
In Touch: Get in touch with yourself by touching yourself.
If somebody is watching, stop touching yourself.
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.
 

"Nige" <nigel.inceBUGGEROFF@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:6ZSdneK4AojeBhnZnZ2dnUVZ8t2dnZ2d@pipex.net...
> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>
> <Snipped antipodean racist ****e>

**Nope. No racist ****e. Just the facts. Here's another fine example of
British automotive engineering:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliant_Robin

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FpztVxOtvQw&search=Top Gear

And another:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumph_Herald

One of my mates used to own a Range Rover. After a ski trip in one, I
remarked that the only part of the car which moved quickly, on depressing
the accelerator pedal was the tacho. It was a slow, expensive, unreliable
piece of ****. But hey, defend it all you want.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au



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Paul - xxx wrote:
> drystone@swiftdsl.com.au came up with the following;:
>
>> Has anyone heard of this happening to Land Rovers?
>
>
> Not mine, but the front corners of the bonnet do move somewhat
> alarmingly at speeds above 60mph on the motorways.
>
>> The most important issue for me and my family is, why did this
>> accident happen?
>
>
> It does look like you [1] just haven't spotted the bolts and catch are
> loose when you've been doing the normal, everyday checks we [2] all do.
>
>> Furthermore, what will stop it happening again?
>
>
> The normal, everyday checks we all do, but add one, for your own piece
> of mind, that includes checking the bonnet release. Actually I have to
> spray mine regularly with WD40/Plusgas etc to keep it free .. it always
> seems to stiffen up after a few weeks.
>
> [1] I do also mean any service 'personnel' who might have been doing the
> servicing.
>
> [2] That's the royal 'we', I don't pretend to speak for everyone, but
> mean 'we' as a family of drivers. :)
>
Too many drivers of modern cars almost never open the bonnet of their
vehicle to do basic checks.
Many drivers seem to think that nothing under the bonnet needs checking
inbetween services which in a way is a tribute to the reliablity of
modern vehicles but IMO its wrong and can lead to problems which would
of otherwise been found and rectified long before they became dangerous.




Daryl
 
On Tue, 6 Jun 2006 07:42:09 +1000, "Trevor Wilson"
<trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote:

>
>"Nige" <nigel.inceBUGGEROFF@btinternet.com> wrote in message
>news:6ZSdneK4AojeBhnZnZ2dnUVZ8t2dnZ2d@pipex.net...
>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>
>> <Snipped antipodean racist ****e>
>
>**Nope. No racist ****e. Just the facts. Here's another fine example of
>British automotive engineering:
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliant_Robin
>
>http://youtube.com/watch?v=FpztVxOtvQw&search=Top Gear
>
>And another:
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumph_Herald
>
>One of my mates used to own a Range Rover. After a ski trip in one, I
>remarked that the only part of the car which moved quickly, on depressing
>the accelerator pedal was the tacho. It was a slow, expensive, unreliable
>piece of ****. But hey, defend it all you want.

The fuel gauges also move very fast on range rovers! ;-)

Youve noticed this thread is going out in alt.fan.landrover too? which
is also fairly UK based, so theres just no need to start trolling!
There are plenty of Aussie things we could pick on if we tried!

I also dont see how anybody could take offence to a reliant robin or
triumph herald! Sure they may have their faults, but so does
everything and they are somewhat more intersting than the majority of
new cars on the road that all look the same..



 
Albm&ctd wrote:

> Should have bought a Lada. It opens the other way.

Or a Saab... <SLAP> Ouch!



--
ant


 
Trevor Wilson wrote:

>
> "Nige" <nigel.inceBUGGEROFF@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:6ZSdneK4AojeBhnZnZ2dnUVZ8t2dnZ2d@pipex.net...
>> Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>
>> <Snipped antipodean racist ****e>
>
> **Nope. No racist ****e. Just the facts. Here's another fine example of
> British automotive engineering:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliant_Robin
>
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=FpztVxOtvQw&search=Top Gear
>
> And another:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumph_Herald
>
> One of my mates used to own a Range Rover. After a ski trip in one, I
> remarked that the only part of the car which moved quickly, on depressing
> the accelerator pedal was the tacho. It was a slow, expensive, unreliable
> piece of ****. But hey, defend it all you want.
>
>
If you want to rubbish British motor engineering using Reliant as an
example, you are inviting them to bring up the Lightburn Zeta as an example
of Australian engineering. Most Australians would prefer to forget it.
JD
 
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