Graculus
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SDD if you're happy with the intricacies of Windows 7 & 'modified' software, it also depends upon how much you think you'll need / want to do. GAP has a lot of capabilities, but can also 'brick' your car if you get carried away - but outside of maintenance & fault-finding, what would you want or need to do?
I'd say for 95% of drivers, reset of steering angle, park brake unjam, service reset, DPF forced regen (if fitted), together with air suspension calibration would be the key functions along with the standard DTC read & clear, which opens up the range of options quite a bit.
I'd say for 95% of drivers, reset of steering angle, park brake unjam, service reset, DPF forced regen (if fitted), together with air suspension calibration would be the key functions along with the standard DTC read & clear, which opens up the range of options quite a bit.
Can't see the future but what I do know is on my car I definitely want to try calibrate yhe suspension and steering angle sensor, and I want to be able to view and clear codes for troubleshooting module comm faults. So I guess the most reliable cost effective solution for that. I don't see myself bricking anything as won't do anything overly technical. Just fault finding and fixing.
Graculus
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In that case, as popular as the GAP seems to be, it's probably going to be a wasted investment, IIRC the iCarsoft LR version can do everything you want without having to give 'the man' more dosh if you need / want to do a quick job on your mate's car, and can be used on your next (pre-17MY) LR without having to unlock / relock to a specific VIN
Don't bother with the foxwell (got one and it won't do recalibrate suspension it might do the sas but don't count on it never tried it on mine) that's why I went for the gap in the end.
The weird thing is if the gap tool came with an actual unit for that price it would seem good value, I think the size of it albeit its extremely powerful makes it seem like a larger investment than what it is.
I'm torn, I think you're right about the icarsoft if it can do those jobs. If I knew I'd be keeping this vehicle for a few years it'd be a no trainer, but the start to my ownership has me filled with dread and I may have picked a bad one. That said the used market is string in GAP tools I see, but still a hassle having to sell it when they are 499 atm anyway and folks are selling them for 400/450 vin locked.
Graculus
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The suspension calibration will fail if the values are out by +/-3mm relative to each other - that's nothing to do with the tool but the error checking within the module. Sometimes you have to put incorrect but valid values in and repeat the process several times to get the height correct. Even SDD cannot 'force' large values.
ovalandrover
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The black box solutions NANOCOM will do all the above plus flash all your ccf files
So close to pulling trigger on a GAP tool bit final bit of hesitation kicking in as I'm probably going to change cars within 12 months.
Icarsoft are saying the LR3.0 now calibrates suspension and retailers promoting this as the main function online. Although icarsoft are saying its enabled on vehicles they cannot guarantee it will work as its so specialist . See pictures. Can anyone comment?
Icarsoft are saying the LR3.0 now calibrates suspension and retailers promoting this as the main function online. Although icarsoft are saying its enabled on vehicles they cannot guarantee it will work as its so specialist . See pictures. Can anyone comment?
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Datatek
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If even the supplier/manufacturer don't know if it works, it's not something that I would buy.
Well I can getvthe LR3.0 for £150 right now and if it works represents good value and could sell for say £80.
Gap I can get fir £499 (£479 if I use PayPal credit) and maybe sell for 350-400 if I'm lucky. So overall cost of ownership similar I guess.
Datatek
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You pays your money and makes your choice, I know what my choice would be.
Graculus
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The Icarsoft will work fine as long as the measurements are within the limits of what the control unit software will accept as valid, if they're outside of those bounds, see my previous on the subject.
I suspect Icarsoft are just @rsecovering for those boundary cases. Have you looked at the IID process? IIRC they have similar calculations to do to get a valid calibration.
I suspect Icarsoft are just @rsecovering for those boundary cases. Have you looked at the IID process? IIRC they have similar calculations to do to get a valid calibration.
biketeacherdave
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Gap tool
I use it on all 4 of mine, 1 of my mates d3s and just helped a guy out on his L322 in hard suspension fault.
You only need to vin unlock it to access ccf files etc and advanced features you will never use.
Or to programe keys
I use it on all 4 of mine, 1 of my mates d3s and just helped a guy out on his L322 in hard suspension fault.
You only need to vin unlock it to access ccf files etc and advanced features you will never use.
Or to programe keys
seldom
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I am looking to get one of these but unsure exactly what I need feature wise I have removed ACE system and need to tell the car it does not have it fitted now. Would that require further costs to buying the actual tool?
I have GapIID and iCarSoft. I use Gap ALWAYS on our Land Rovers. iCarSoft is good, I have the CR Max BT so it works with most vehicles but Gap is definitely my go-to for LR.
Remember, you can also add keys and features with Gap if you want to like tow-bar wiring and PDC deactivation or lights on the key fob, digital speedo (if that's your thing) and I'm pretty sure that iCarSoft won't do any of the CCF config stuff like that.
As you say, initial outlay is more but cost of ownership may be a lot less. For me, I'm using Gap on my L322, wife's D4, Brother's RRS and friends D4 too. It's a bitter pill to swallow when you buy the licence for the extra cars but I factor that into the purchase of the car as a 'setup cost'. To put it into perspective, brother's car came with only one key, a pair of replicas from eBay were about £30 and the licence for Gap £80 which was cheaper overall than a locksmith service to code a single key, not to take anything away from a specialist locksmith of course but that was just one example where it saved us money on a project car.
Remember, you can also add keys and features with Gap if you want to like tow-bar wiring and PDC deactivation or lights on the key fob, digital speedo (if that's your thing) and I'm pretty sure that iCarSoft won't do any of the CCF config stuff like that.
As you say, initial outlay is more but cost of ownership may be a lot less. For me, I'm using Gap on my L322, wife's D4, Brother's RRS and friends D4 too. It's a bitter pill to swallow when you buy the licence for the extra cars but I factor that into the purchase of the car as a 'setup cost'. To put it into perspective, brother's car came with only one key, a pair of replicas from eBay were about £30 and the licence for Gap £80 which was cheaper overall than a locksmith service to code a single key, not to take anything away from a specialist locksmith of course but that was just one example where it saved us money on a project car.
