flat said:
i *think* if you look at the DVLA definition of the '4x4 utility' it basically means a 4x4 with interchangeable bodies. I cant emember exactly but i ahd the same thing when i registered my ex-mil
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In practice it seems to mean that the 4x4 Light Utility are a commercial vehicle, whereas Station Wagons, with windows in the back, are considered to be cars.

Which is what has led to the ludicrous situation whereby Hard Top Defenders are not permitted to enter the LEZ without paying, whereas Station Wagons with exactly the same engine and emissions can.
 
Agreed, I got into a bit of a discussion with the DVLA over this, it seems that Landrover dealers selected the catergories when they first registered the vehicles. Several catergoes were similar and so it was a bit of a lottery as to what you got, but it didn't matter then as there were no LEZs etc. Now those catergories are getting dragged out and given new meaning but as I found out, just becuase a lot of Landrovers are in a catergory such as "station wagon" does not mean you can join them. The DVLA made it clear to me that they were placing all Landrovers in "4x4 urility" from now on regardless of what they had been. Yes they would change my V5 and I choose from any option that was "4x4 untiliy", take it or leave it. I got the impression they were fed up with people changeing body styles and their solution was one style for all. Good news is ALL historic vehicles are LEZ exempt - the LEZ webpage gets this right so if you type in your reg and your veh8icle is historic it will show your vehicle exempt. If (when) Edinburgh, Bristol and Reading bring in LEZs this could get imporant.
 
KISSMYAURA said:
PLG? should say LGV?
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I didn't realise this but PLG and LGV are different taxation classes:

From https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...ile/605333/v355x1-notes-about-tax-classes.pdf

Class Type of vehicle and/or use
Private/Light Goods (PLG) Vehicles registered before the 01/03/01: Private motor cars; goods vehicles not more than 3,500kg revenue weight; vehicles used for "private" (non-trade or business) purposes (including 3 wheeled vehicles over 450kg unladen). Vehicles registered on or after 01/03/01: vehicles that do not come into the scope of the first six tax classes, listed below.
Light Goods Vehicle Effective from 01/03/01. N1* vehicles designed for the carriage of goods and not exceeding 3,500kg revenue weight (including 3 wheeled vehicles over 450kg unladen). *N1 – defined as "vehicles used for the carriage of goods and having a maximum mass not exceeding3.5 tonnes".
 

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They're Utes...utility vehicles I suppose.

I suppose they could be Jeeps too. :p

Seriously though, this is what makes them special...they are class less. They don't really match any classification of any other vehicle properly. There really isn't a tick box for it.
 
rob1miles said:
Agreed, I got into a bit of a discussion with the DVLA over this, it seems that Landrover dealers selected the catergories when they first registered the vehicles. Several catergoes were similar and so it was a bit of a lottery as to what you got, but it didn't matter then as there were no LEZs etc. Now those catergories are getting dragged out and given new meaning but as I found out, just becuase a lot of Landrovers are in a catergory such as "station wagon" does not mean you can join them. The DVLA made it clear to me that they were placing all Landrovers in "4x4 urility" from now on regardless of what they had been. Yes they would change my V5 and I choose from any option that was "4x4 untiliy", take it or leave it. I got the impression they were fed up with people changeing body styles and their solution was one style for all. Good news is ALL historic vehicles are LEZ exempt - the LEZ webpage gets this right so if you type in your reg and your veh8icle is historic it will show your vehicle exempt. If (when) Edinburgh, Bristol and Reading bring in LEZs this could get imporant.
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A few moments of panic........a quick check on the LEZ website..........and all is well for my "motor". Couldn't see any upcoming changes either. But for how long???
When in London to visit family, I see so few older landys I can't see them really being a problem. I do my bit to reduce my emissions by traveling overnight; usually arriving at 4am
I have fun passing through-Marble Arch, Park Lane, Hyde Park Corner.......... The Mercs and Porches stay well clear
 
TheRonSpanner said:
A few moments of panic........a quick check on the LEZ website..........and all is well for my "motor". Couldn't see any upcoming changes either. But for how long???
When in London to visit family, I see so few older landys I can't see them really being a problem. I do my bit to reduce my emissions by traveling overnight; usually arriving at 4am
I have fun passing through-Marble Arch, Park Lane, Hyde Park Corner.......... The Mercs and Porches stay well clear
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Yep that'll be the defender (I will totally write off your bag-o-****e pimpmobile) force field working there....:D
 
Classless, or in a class of it's own, depending on whether it's working!

Isn't a Defender station wagon a car based on a van, so should be a "van derived car"?
 
Well, that one that they butchered on "Goblin Garage" is certainly a "car"; it's not a Land Rover anymore...
 
Turboman said:
In practice it seems to mean that the 4x4 Light Utility are a commercial vehicle, whereas Station Wagons, with windows in the back, are considered to be cars.

Which is what has led to the ludicrous situation whereby Hard Top Defenders are not permitted to enter the LEZ without paying, whereas Station Wagons with exactly the same engine and emissions can.
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Mine's a Station Wagon that's been converted to a Hard Top. Rang the DVLA and wrote to them with pictures and the V5. All they changed was the colour, they told me they considered the van sides to be a cosmetic change only therefore, to them, it remains an Estate car...

As to what I call it, Truck, Wagon, Landy, Bastard Thing but never Car.
 
Roaming Wombat said:
Mine's a Station Wagon that's been converted to a Hard Top. Rang the DVLA and wrote to them with pictures and the V5. All they changed was the colour, they told me they considered the van sides to be a cosmetic change only therefore, to them, it remains an Estate car...

As to what I call it, Truck, Wagon, Landy, Bastard Thing but never Car.
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As far as DVLA are concerned, the original taxation class on the V5 defines the vehicle for life.
The actual windows or seats on the vehicle makes no difference to them.
 
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