Gazbo · Oct 14, 2018

ukadamwest said:
its also going to be fun [not] when wear and tear catches up on cars with start/stop 'technology'

Yes indeed, we've just come back from a holiday in Japan where all the new city buses and many cars are "stop/start" tech, I was wondering how long a starter motor, battery and alternator lasts when doing lots of city driving. Maybe a starter motor re-con and battery fitting business would be a good move.

Bemble · Oct 14, 2018

gstuart said:
Was also surprised when I first looked at the gearbox electronics involved with the D3

Dread to think what it takes to replace the ATF in the new 9 x speed gearbox

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That diagram shows the straight-forward 5HP24 system from BMW. The circuit for the 6HP26 in the Disco 3 is a good deal more complicated

Phil

norseman · Oct 14, 2018

Gazbo said:
Yes indeed, we've just come back from a holiday in Japan where all the new city buses and many cars are "stop/start" tech QUOTE]

Don't need to travel that far. All the later buses around here have stop/start technology, despite the coachwork being made of re-cycled egg boxes

SiverParrot · Oct 14, 2018

Being unable to repair cars without drastic surgery is not new.
I used to own a Jeep grand cherokee (boo hiss!!) a few years ago.
It had the Mercedes 2.7 5 cylinder diesel. The rear injector seal failed and the only sensible way to remove the injector was to cut a hole in the bulkhead and then weld it up again.
Try replacing the alternator on a Diesel Jaguar S-Type. The engine needs to be jacked up to remove it,

Things have been getting 'un-repairable' for some time.

Bagshot · Oct 14, 2018

SiverParrot said:
Being unable to repair cars without drastic surgery is not new.
I used to own a Jeep grand cherokee (boo hiss!!) a few years ago.
It had the Mercedes 2.7 5 cylinder diesel. The rear injector seal failed and the only sensible way to remove the injector was to cut a hole in the bulkhead and then weld it up again.
Try replacing the alternator on a Diesel Jaguar S-Type. The engine needs to be jacked up to remove it,

Things have been getting 'un-repairable' for some time.

Oh for a Cortina clutch or setting Mini points gap ...

Digweed · Oct 14, 2018

These electric cars aren't as 'green' as they're made out to be. The co2 footprint in the manufacturing of them is fairly big, plus the generation of the electricity to charge them. Then the batteries have to be changed every so often, 5 years for the first prius don't know if that's changed. Volvo were doing a package where you 'rented' the battery off them and they'd change it if anything went wrong.

SiverParrot · Oct 14, 2018

Where are we going to plug in all these electric cars? A times I cannot park on the street where I live, the car is about 100 yards away.
In any case we do not have the generating power to charge all these cars.

Dippypud · Oct 14, 2018

Bagshot said:
Oh for a Cortina clutch or setting Mini points gap ...

Setting the carb on a Mini was easy compared to putting THAT engine mounting in it's little hole ....

Datatek · Oct 14, 2018

Digweed said:
These electric cars aren't as 'green' as they're made out to be. The co2 footprint in the manufacturing of them is fairly big, plus the generation of the electricity to charge them. Then the batteries have to be changed every so often, 5 years for the first prius don't know if that's changed. Volvo were doing a package where you 'rented' the battery off them and they'd change it if anything went wrong.

You are forgetting that the electricity distribution network could not cope with millions of electric cars not to mention the transmission losses. Also the mining of Lithium & Cobalt is not exactly green and at the moment the batteries cannot be recycled.
Nissan were doing battery rental in with the repayments on the Leaf over here.

Bagshot · Oct 14, 2018

Hate to be flippant here.. but if you don't keep up the rental payments on the battery, do they send the bailiffs in and take your telly..,?

JimS · Oct 14, 2018

wammers said:
Any vehicle that has to have the body removed to be worked on is a seriously bad design. I can see that in the future you will have to pay a qualified (NVQ) tyre inflater to blow your tyres up. Manufacturers are trying to remove the ability of anyone other than dealers to work on their cars.

I had a merc that refused to start because of glow plug (well started fine when the error was cleared but wouldn't 'stay cleared')
The AA man said its ridiculous that they dont just put a service light on but disable the car completely, the manufacturers are trying to lock everything down and treat even minor service issues as an immobilisation situation

kds · Oct 14, 2018

Bemble said:
That diagram shows the straight-forward 5HP24 system from BMW. The circuit for the 6HP26 in the Disco 3 is a good deal more complicated

Phil

That might be a straight forward circuit to you @Bemble but to rest of us guys its as simple as a knitting pattern !

urena · Oct 14, 2018

if you have to get the body off anything to service it then don't buy such a pile of junk.

Bagshot · Oct 14, 2018

myfirstl322 said:
Myth.

Glow plugs are within the Vee,
But they usually seize in head and need specialist tools to extract them.

Turbo's are body off I believe.

So going back to the original question.I have double checked and the info is that the last couple of plugs have to come out safely by either cutting the bulkhead and rewelding, or lifting the body. Alternative...snap.!!

gstuart · Oct 14, 2018

Bemble said:
That diagram shows the straight-forward 5HP24 system from BMW. The circuit for the 6HP26 in the Disco 3 is a good deal more complicated

Phil

Hi phil

Bless u for the heads up , do u happen to know where I can find the same type of diagram for the 6hp plse

Thks as always

frog hopper · Oct 14, 2018

It's all this criminal complexity that makes me think (in my darker moments) of upgrading to a "little grey Fergie" and nailing a small shed on it to keep the worst of the weather out.

freelance · Oct 14, 2018

Certainly engine on new sport disappears under bulkhead, which looks to be made of plastic

Datatek · Oct 15, 2018

frog hopper said:
It's all this criminal complexity that makes me think (in my darker moments) of upgrading to a "little grey Fergie" and nailing a small shed on it to keep the worst of the weather out.

I'll use my little ancient Kubota diesel, runs on central heating oil which is red diesel here in France.

NigelJK · Oct 16, 2018

Has been going on for ages, particularly French Motors. I had a Citroen Club (cira 1978 iirc), an air cooled flat four, which required a 'special tool' to change the spark plugs.

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