Well another weekend under our our belt.

For those who went Off roading Nige and Andy sorry it was such a let down, I
was well miffed.

Apart from the manky weather it was othewise a good do!

Saturday nights Social has to be the highlight of the weekend, though I'm
considering that any future weekends may lean more towards "Stuff to do"
than Off roading.

Nice to meet New Faces! Alan Hughes made it over in his 101 GS from the
Emerald Isle and Will Tasso made probably the longest trek from the
outskirts of London.

Kids enjoyed themselves and the dogs are knackered!

Though I'm now leaning more towards a 110 CSW than I am towards the 101 so
if anyone has a nice 110 CSW 300 Tdi and a yen for a 101 Camper then give me
a shout, 4 plus two dogs in the 101 is not much fun. Failing that Morph may
soon be gracing Enay with his presence, it will be a reluctant sale as I
know I'll never get another like him but I'm just not using him as intended
since we bought the Caravan.

Lee D
--
www.lrproject.com

a.f.l. & 101ers Unofficial October 2006
<http://www.lrproject.com/afl__101_owners_unofficial.htm>

"Anti's - Give
them enough rope and they'll be stuck in a ditch with alot of rope ;-) "

"Lee_D" <newsgroupNOSPAM@NOSPAMlrproject.com> wrote in message
news:4qkcb3Fnhn0lU1@individual.net...
> Well another weekend under our our belt.
>
> For those who went Off roading Nige and Andy sorry it was such a let down,
> I was well miffed.
>
> Apart from the manky weather it was othewise a good do!
>
> Saturday nights Social has to be the highlight of the weekend, though I'm
> considering that any future weekends may lean more towards "Stuff to do"
> than Off roading.
>
> Nice to meet New Faces! Alan Hughes made it over in his 101 GS from the
> Emerald Isle and Will Tasso made probably the longest trek from the
> outskirts of London.
>
> Kids enjoyed themselves and the dogs are knackered!
>
> Though I'm now leaning more towards a 110 CSW than I am towards the 101 so
> if anyone has a nice 110 CSW 300 Tdi and a yen for a 101 Camper then give
> me a shout, 4 plus two dogs in the 101 is not much fun. Failing that Morph
> may soon be gracing Enay with his presence, it will be a reluctant sale as
> I know I'll never get another like him but I'm just not using him as
> intended since we bought the Caravan.
>
> Lee D
> --
> www.lrproject.com
>
> a.f.l. & 101ers Unofficial October 2006
> <http://www.lrproject.com/afl__101_owners_unofficial.htm>
>
> "Anti's - Give
> them enough rope and they'll be stuck in a ditch with alot of rope ;-) "
>

Many thanks for organising the trip Lee, I would like to have got more
involved with the 'social' but as we were staying off-site it was always
going to be tricky. Shame about the off-road site but their website is very
misleading. Nice to meet you and hope to meet up again soon.

Andy

Andy wrote:

|| "Lee_D" <newsgroupNOSPAM@NOSPAMlrproject.com> wrote in message
|| news:4qkcb3Fnhn0lU1@individual.net...
||| Well another weekend under our our belt.
|||
||| For those who went Off roading Nige and Andy sorry it was such a
||| let down, I was well miffed.
|||
||| Apart from the manky weather it was othewise a good do!
|||
||| Saturday nights Social has to be the highlight of the weekend,
||| though I'm considering that any future weekends may lean more
||| towards "Stuff to do" than Off roading.
|||
||| Nice to meet New Faces! Alan Hughes made it over in his 101 GS from
||| the Emerald Isle and Will Tasso made probably the longest trek from
||| the outskirts of London.
|||
||| Kids enjoyed themselves and the dogs are knackered!
|||
||| Though I'm now leaning more towards a 110 CSW than I am towards the
||| 101 so if anyone has a nice 110 CSW 300 Tdi and a yen for a 101
||| Camper then give me a shout, 4 plus two dogs in the 101 is not much
||| fun. Failing that Morph may soon be gracing Enay with his presence,
||| it will be a reluctant sale as I know I'll never get another like
||| him but I'm just not using him as intended since we bought the
||| Caravan.
|||
||| Lee D
||| --
||| www.lrproject.com
|||
||| a.f.l. & 101ers Unofficial October 2006
||| <http://www.lrproject.com/afl__101_owners_unofficial.htm>
|||
||| "Anti's - Give
||| them enough rope and they'll be stuck in a ditch with alot of rope
||| ;-) "
|||
||
|| Many thanks for organising the trip Lee, I would like to have got
|| more involved with the 'social' but as we were staying off-site it
|| was always going to be tricky. Shame about the off-road site but
|| their website is very misleading. Nice to meet you and hope to meet
|| up again soon.
||
|| Andy

Yes, thanks to Lee for the organising and to everyone else for a great craic
on the Saturday night. Great to meet new faces and catch up with ones we've
seen before. Lee, you missed nothing at the Electric Mountain. Bill and I
circled the car park for about 30 minutes without finding a place, and all
the roads in Llanberis were double-parked with tourists, so we called it a
day and set off home.

Long trip, bum weather, but worth the ride. Here's to the next one.

--
Rich
==============================

Take out the obvious to email me.

Richard Brookman <THErichard.brookmanOBVIOUS@btinternet.com> uttered
summat worrerz funny about:
> Lee, you missed nothing at the
> Electric Mountain. Bill and I circled the car park for about 30
> minutes without finding a place, and all the roads in Llanberis were
> double-parked with tourists, so we called it a day and set off home.

We went that way back funny enough, Didn't stop mind... just that "Dorris"
(Our sat nav!) sent us that way and I was beyond argument with a PDA
Took us longer but saved us sitting in roadworks on the A55? coast road by
the tunnels.

The scenary through the Llanberis pass was fantastic, then like wise along
through to Bala etc etc... tough I don't think the convoy behind though much
of the back end of the caravan 40 - 50 mph tops. Morph pulled well but I
need to check the brakes again as they developed a squeel under braking.
Once cooled it went away.

Would like to pop back and do the Electric mountain, perhaphs half term
weekends are a no no though did look Busy when we went through.

Lee D

On 2006-10-29 19:05:08 +0000, "Lee_D"
<newsgroupNOSPAM@NOSPAMlrproject.com> said:

> Well another weekend under our our belt.
>
> For those who went Off roading Nige and Andy sorry it was such a let
> down, I was well miffed.
>
> Apart from the manky weather it was othewise a good do!

Apols I didn't make the off-roading, ruddy ACE warning light appeared
on the trek to N.Wales Frida. Spent the morning at Conwy Land Rover
and it transpires that a valve is sticking in the ACE valve block.
Just my luck that the valves are not serviceable and the unit costs
near £300 plus fitting

--
Darren Griffin
PocketGPSWorld - www.PocketGPSWorld.com
The Premier GPS Resource for News, Reviews and Forums

Darren Griffin - PocketGPSWorld.Com <darren@pocketgpsworld.com> uttered
summat worrerz funny about:
> On 2006-10-29 19:05:08 +0000, "Lee_D"
> <newsgroupNOSPAM@NOSPAMlrproject.com> said:
>
>> Well another weekend under our our belt.
>>
>> For those who went Off roading Nige and Andy sorry it was such a let
>> down, I was well miffed.
>>
>> Apart from the manky weather it was othewise a good do!
>
> Apols I didn't make the off-roading, ruddy ACE warning light appeared
> on the trek to N.Wales Frida. Spent the morning at Conwy Land Rover
> and it transpires that a valve is sticking in the ACE valve block.
> Just my luck that the valves are not serviceable and the unit costs
> near £300 plus fitting

Is yoyr truck rather yellow as G4's go as opposed to orange? If it is I
think we passed you going the other way.

Lee D

Lee_D wrote:
> Well another weekend under our our belt.
>
> For those who went Off roading Nige and Andy sorry it was such a
> let down, I was well miffed.
>
> Apart from the manky weather it was othewise a good do!
>
> Saturday nights Social has to be the highlight of the weekend,
> though I'm considering that any future weekends may lean more
> towards "Stuff to do" than Off roading.
>
> Nice to meet New Faces! Alan Hughes made it over in his 101 GS from
> the Emerald Isle and Will Tasso made probably the longest trek from
> the outskirts of London.
>
> Kids enjoyed themselves and the dogs are knackered!
>
> Though I'm now leaning more towards a 110 CSW than I am towards the
> 101 so if anyone has a nice 110 CSW 300 Tdi and a yen for a 101
> Camper then give me a shout, 4 plus two dogs in the 101 is not much
> fun. Failing that Morph may soon be gracing Enay with his presence,
> it will be a reluctant sale as I know I'll never get another like
> him but I'm just not using him as intended since we bought the
> Caravan.
> Lee D

Well, mines not a 300 tdi, but......

--
Ta!

Nige

Subaru WRX (54)
Land Rover Turbo Diesel 110 (G)
KTM 520 SX (2001)
Kawasaki ZZR 1100 (1995)

Lee_D wrote:
> Well another weekend under our our belt.
>
> For those who went Off roading Nige and Andy sorry it was such a
> let down, I was well miffed.
>
> Apart from the manky weather it was othewise a good do!
>
> Saturday nights Social has to be the highlight of the weekend,
> though I'm considering that any future weekends may lean more
> towards "Stuff to do" than Off roading.
>
> Nice to meet New Faces! Alan Hughes made it over in his 101 GS from
> the Emerald Isle and Will Tasso made probably the longest trek from
> the outskirts of London.
>
> Kids enjoyed themselves and the dogs are knackered!
>
> Though I'm now leaning more towards a 110 CSW than I am towards the
> 101 so if anyone has a nice 110 CSW 300 Tdi and a yen for a 101
> Camper then give me a shout, 4 plus two dogs in the 101 is not much
> fun. Failing that Morph may soon be gracing Enay with his presence,
> it will be a reluctant sale as I know I'll never get another like
> him but I'm just not using him as intended since we bought the
> Caravan.
> Lee D

Lee, it was a top do, cheers for your efforts matey! I would have gone further if the weather would have
let us!!

You know you aint going any further if a tank is sunk up to the bottom!!!

Top do & great folk!

Cheers ya'll!!!


--
Ta!

Nige

Subaru WRX (54)
Land Rover Turbo Diesel 110 (G)
KTM 520 SX (2001)
Kawasaki ZZR 1100 (1995)

Nige <nigel.inceBUGGEROFF@btinternet.com> uttered summat worrerz funny
about:
> Lee, it was a top do, cheers for your efforts matey! I would have
> gone further if the weather would have let us!!
>
> You know you aint going any further if a tank is sunk up to the
> bottom!!!

Yeah were just a bunch of townies I guess ;-)

I'd have forgone my refund if he'd have let us tie him to a tree and let rip
with around 500 rounds on the paint ball gun each now that would have
been a true Landrover experience!

Lee D

Lee_D wrote:
> Well another weekend under our our belt.
>
> For those who went Off roading Nige and Andy sorry it was such a
> let down, I was well miffed.
>
> Apart from the manky weather it was othewise a good do!
>
> Saturday nights Social has to be the highlight of the weekend,
> though I'm considering that any future weekends may lean more
> towards "Stuff to do" than Off roading.
>
> Nice to meet New Faces! Alan Hughes made it over in his 101 GS from
> the Emerald Isle and Will Tasso made probably the longest trek from
> the outskirts of London.
>
> Kids enjoyed themselves and the dogs are knackered!
>
> Though I'm now leaning more towards a 110 CSW than I am towards the
> 101 so if anyone has a nice 110 CSW 300 Tdi and a yen for a 101
> Camper then give me a shout, 4 plus two dogs in the 101 is not much
> fun. Failing that Morph may soon be gracing Enay with his presence,
> it will be a reluctant sale as I know I'll never get another like
> him but I'm just not using him as intended since we bought the
> Caravan.
> Lee D

Hey, I was just happy to get some 'machete' action mate!!!

Andy's missis asked him if i always carried a machete in my car - of course i do!

My ear is royally ****ed though, took a good old dose of antibiotics the minute i got home.

Gonna get some serious mud tyres though, not happy with the trac edges at all.

Tell you geezers what though, the only car that could make it up a VERY tricky wet grass slope was Andys
D3 with it's trick electronics etc! I should have let the tyres down !


--
Ta!

Nige

Subaru WRX (54)
Land Rover Turbo Diesel 110 (G)
KTM 520 SX (2001)
Kawasaki ZZR 1100 (1995)

Lee_D wrote:
> Nige <nigel.inceBUGGEROFF@btinternet.com> uttered summat worrerz
> funny about:
>> Lee, it was a top do, cheers for your efforts matey! I would have
>> gone further if the weather would have let us!!
>>
>> You know you aint going any further if a tank is sunk up to the
>> bottom!!!
>
> Yeah were just a bunch of townies I guess ;-)
>
> I'd have forgone my refund if he'd have let us tie him to a tree
> and let rip with around 500 rounds on the paint ball gun each
> now that would have been a true Landrover experience!
>
> Lee D

**** that, mace the ****!!!!

Couldn't believe that APC was sunk so deep!!! How the **** would we get past that?

--
Ta!

Nige

Subaru WRX (54)
Land Rover Turbo Diesel 110 (G)
KTM 520 SX (2001)
Kawasaki ZZR 1100 (1995)

Lee_D wrote:
> Well another weekend under our our belt.
>
> For those who went Off roading Nige and Andy sorry it was such a
> let down, I was well miffed.
>
> Apart from the manky weather it was othewise a good do!
>
> Saturday nights Social has to be the highlight of the weekend,
> though I'm considering that any future weekends may lean more
> towards "Stuff to do" than Off roading.
>
> Nice to meet New Faces! Alan Hughes made it over in his 101 GS from
> the Emerald Isle and Will Tasso made probably the longest trek from
> the outskirts of London.
>
> Kids enjoyed themselves and the dogs are knackered!
>
> Though I'm now leaning more towards a 110 CSW than I am towards the
> 101 so if anyone has a nice 110 CSW 300 Tdi and a yen for a 101
> Camper then give me a shout, 4 plus two dogs in the 101 is not much
> fun. Failing that Morph may soon be gracing Enay with his presence,
> it will be a reluctant sale as I know I'll never get another like
> him but I'm just not using him as intended since we bought the
> Caravan.
> Lee D

One thing, the KTM would have eaten that slope for breakfast!! - One wheel drive................

--
Ta!

Nige

Subaru WRX (54)
Land Rover Turbo Diesel 110 (G)
KTM 520 SX (2001)
Kawasaki ZZR 1100 (1995)

"Nige" <nigel.inceBUGGEROFF@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:Qf6dnSq0AuKNi9jYnZ2dnUVZ8sydnZ2d@pipex.net...
..
>
> Tell you geezers what though, the only car that could make it up a VERY
> tricky wet grass slope was Andys D3 with it's trick electronics etc! I
> should have let the tyres down !
>
>
> --
> Ta!
>
> Nige
>
> Subaru WRX (54)
> Land Rover Turbo Diesel 110 (G)
> KTM 520 SX (2001)
> Kawasaki ZZR 1100 (1995)

True enough, the purists among you may not like the D3 but the slope in
question was VERY slippery and yet the D3 handled it well and the Traction
Control, locking diffs etc did their stuff, plus the MT's helped a lot!
Niges 110 got nowhere nor did Lee's 101 although with MT's and locking rear
diffs they would have got further.

Andy

Andy wrote:
> "Nige" <nigel.inceBUGGEROFF@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:Qf6dnSq0AuKNi9jYnZ2dnUVZ8sydnZ2d@pipex.net...
> .
>>
>> Tell you geezers what though, the only car that could make it up a
>> VERY tricky wet grass slope was Andys D3 with it's trick
>> electronics etc! I should have let the tyres down !
>>
>>
>> --
>> Ta!
>>
>> Nige
>>
>> Subaru WRX (54)
>> Land Rover Turbo Diesel 110 (G)
>> KTM 520 SX (2001)
>> Kawasaki ZZR 1100 (1995)
>
> True enough, the purists among you may not like the D3 but the
> slope in question was VERY slippery and yet the D3 handled it well
> and the Traction Control, locking diffs etc did their stuff, plus
> the MT's helped a lot! Niges 110 got nowhere nor did Lee's 101
> although with MT's and locking rear diffs they would have got
> further.
> Andy

It was a nigthmare slope really, not too steep, but mega camber & proper horrible wet grass & mud you
just cant deal with in a road going Land Rover. Unless, of course, it's a new D3. I felt like i was
watching top gear! it was horrible weather though, rain, fog & a serious bad course. The blokes running
the place didnt have a clue when it came to off rouding - they just said to 'stick to the tank tracks'
etc!! How the **** can you do that with a Land Rover?

Was good fun though, I'm game for owt & i realised it's my vehicle that lets me down!!! Bring on the
D3!!!!

kiddin, i love the 110


--
Ta!

Nige

Subaru WRX (54)
Land Rover Turbo Diesel 110 (G)
KTM 520 SX (2001)
Kawasaki ZZR 1100 (1995)

On 2006-10-29, Andy <andrew.cooke4@btinternet.com> wrote:

> True enough, the purists among you may not like the D3 but the slope in
> question was VERY slippery and yet the D3 handled it well and the Traction
> Control, locking diffs etc did their stuff, plus the MT's helped a lot!

The weight of the thing wouldn't have helped, a new Defender also has
brake-based traction control IIRC, which is supposed to be pretty
good.

Can't beat 6 wheels and 3 diff locks though

> Niges 110 got nowhere nor did Lee's 101 although with MT's and locking rear
> diffs they would have got further.

Nige was on trac edges, I used to drive them, utter ****e on damp
grass. Might as well have been running on slicks. It was an incident
on damp grass that prompted me to dump my trac edges, trucks on mud
terrains were driving across it like it wasn't there and leaving
hardly any marks, my truck on trac edges slithered everywhere and tore
the grass up, ****ing all over my "I'm not buying damaging mud tyres"
eco-****ing.

--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!

On 2006-10-29, Nige <nigel.inceBUGGEROFF@btinternet.com> wrote:

> Gonna get some serious mud tyres though, not happy with the trac edges at all.

Trac edges are ****e, I have no idea where they got their reputation
from. Probably good amongst AT tyres.

> Tell you geezers what though, the only car that could make it up a
> VERY tricky wet grass slope was Andys D3 with it's trick electronics
> etc! I should have let the tyres down !

ISTR that the traction control is fitted to current Defenders too, I'd
read that a Defender with the system can sometimes get further through
mud on road tyres than an older Defender on more beefy tyres. I've
also heard that the modern traction control systems can be better than
diff locks too. D3 still lacks what you need though, new Defender
would be better ;-)

--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!

Ian Rawlings wrote:
> On 2006-10-29, Nige <nigel.inceBUGGEROFF@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> Gonna get some serious mud tyres though, not happy with the trac
>> edges at all.
>
> Trac edges are ****e, I have no idea where they got their reputation
> from. Probably good amongst AT tyres.
>
>> Tell you geezers what though, the only car that could make it up a
>> VERY tricky wet grass slope was Andys D3 with it's trick
>> electronics
>> etc! I should have let the tyres down !
>
> ISTR that the traction control is fitted to current Defenders too,
> I'd read that a Defender with the system can sometimes get further
> through mud on road tyres than an older Defender on more beefy
> tyres. I've also heard that the modern traction control systems
> can be better than diff locks too. D3 still lacks what you need
> though, new Defender would be better ;-)

A decent diff locker would have sorted it, although the tyres where very hard work. I blame myself
though, not enough talent!

i am serious about the tank that was stuck though, how the **** can a LR get past a stuck tank in a
forest?


--
Ta!

Nige

Subaru WRX (54)
Land Rover Turbo Diesel 110 (G)
KTM 520 SX (2001)
Kawasaki ZZR 1100 (1995)

Ian Rawlings wrote:
> On 2006-10-29, Andy <andrew.cooke4@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> True enough, the purists among you may not like the D3 but the
>> slope in question was VERY slippery and yet the D3 handled it well
>> and the Traction Control, locking diffs etc did their stuff, plus
>> the MT's helped a lot!
>
> The weight of the thing wouldn't have helped, a new Defender also
> has brake-based traction control IIRC, which is supposed to be
> pretty good.
>
> Can't beat 6 wheels and 3 diff locks though
>

Sorry buddy, read my sig, the KTM would not have even farted to get up there!



--
Ta!

Nige

Subaru WRX (54)
Land Rover Turbo Diesel 110 (G)
KTM 520 SX (2001)
Kawasaki ZZR 1100 (1995)

On or around Sun, 29 Oct 2006 19:05:08 -0000, "Lee_D"
<newsgroupNOSPAM@NOSPAMlrproject.com> enlightened us thusly:

>Well another weekend under our our belt.
>
>For those who went Off roading Nige and Andy sorry it was such a let down, I
>was well miffed.
>

I gather the OR place wasn't up to the advertising?

pity I couldn't make it.


OK, who's up for a spring one in Herefordshire if I can persuade B-I-L Tim
(You reading this, Tim?) to let us play on his farm?

There should be stuff to do... there's Bulmer's Cider museum in Hereford for
one thing, and doubtless plenty else.

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
Too Busy: Your mind is like a motorway. Sometimes it can be jammed by
too much traffic. Avoid the jams by never using your mind on a
Bank Holiday weekend.
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.

Austin Shackles wrote:
> On or around Sun, 29 Oct 2006 19:05:08 -0000, "Lee_D"
> <newsgroupNOSPAM@NOSPAMlrproject.com> enlightened us thusly:
>
>> Well another weekend under our our belt.
>>
>> For those who went Off roading Nige and Andy sorry it was such a
>> let down, I was well miffed.
>>
>
> I gather the OR place wasn't up to the advertising?
>
> pity I couldn't make it.
>
>
> OK, who's up for a spring one in Herefordshire if I can persuade
> B-I-L Tim (You reading this, Tim?) to let us play on his farm?
>
> There should be stuff to do... there's Bulmer's Cider museum in
> Hereford for one thing, and doubtless plenty else.

Austin, the place had a T34/85 stuck in the mud & he just told us to pass it bye!!!!

hehehehe - clueless!

But, if they did something with it......


--
Ta!

Nige

Subaru WRX (54)
Land Rover Turbo Diesel 110 (G)
KTM 520 SX (2001)
Kawasaki ZZR 1100 (1995)