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Tim.C
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Careful PaulD...we all ready have 4 in the group...no room for more
Sorry, couldn't resist
James R
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Let's just remind ourselves of the original post, shall we, and deal with that.
(1) At least 18 Land Rovers went along this trail last weekend split over two groups. No damage was caused. It was not "torn up" as 90boy says. It wasn't.
(2) It's legal to do it and by saying that you shouldn't do it then you are contributing to the impression that the roads were damaged. You lot, of all people, should be robustly defending this position instead of pandering to it.
(3) If I prefer to pay someone to guide me and my Land Rover round Wales off road and to show me how to do it responsibly then I will. That's none of your business and any comment on that is busy-body Daily Mail behaviour - as Griff says : wind your neck in. Besides £110 is almost as cheap as buying the maps and is exceptionally good value. Moreover, it's private groups like yours that are not disciplined and do not always stick to the roads leading farmers and walkers groups towards the belligerent stuff.
(4) The OP's remarks were / are horse**** and should be described accurately as such. Half his whinge is about being forced back 1/2 mile. Oh my heart weeps for you. As much as 1/2 mile eh? Good Lord.
That you re-awakened a thread over a year old and slagged off a well-known, responsible laner.
If you've been out recently and the lanes weren't 'torn up' then maybe Protrax have changed their values and maybe it's because of posts like 90Boys that's helped/forced them to do it!
So it really is you that wants your neck pulled in a bit .. or alternatively just feck off and play your baiting games elsewhere. If you'd mentioned your point of view without the attacking and abusive language to start with you might have got a reasoned debate, not the tirade that you so richly deserve.
PS, when you argue a point at least keep your argument consistent. First post you say there were 6 vehicles in your group then in another post there were 18 .. so which bit is lying?
You're a ****wit.
ratty
I'm not special I'm limited edition
define not torn up?
It may be legal to drive down a greenlane in groups of 18 vehicles but it does tend to **** off the ramblers and aid their arguements as to why we should be banned fron driving lanes
Thats just it. they're NOT doing it responsibly.:doh::doh::doh:
Maps are £5 each. Say ya need 2 of em.......£10 versus £110....erm......
Erm......see above ^^^^^
(4) The OP's remarks were / are horse**** and should be described accurately as such. Half his whinge is about being forced back 1/2 mile. Oh my heart weeps for you. As much as 1/2 mile eh? Good Lord.[/quote]
And that just shows your ignorance. Imagine ramblers, people out with kids, dog walkers etc having to flatten themselves into the sides of the lane while they wait for 5 responsible drivers to reverse to allow 18 irresponsible drivers to through. The perception that large groups give off is not good and if you can't understand that maybe you should try walking down the lane while 23 vehicles battle for the right of way.
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James R
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Well, Paul D lost the debate immediately he made it personal and abusive. Hey ho.
I've not slagged anyone off. I disagreed with someone and used the word "horse****". Don't be so sensitive.
I saw nothing but responsible, sensible behaviour from Protrax. Ever been with them or are you arguing about something you don't know anything about?
Define "torn up"? Well, I wasn't the person that coined it originally, it was the OP so you should ask him. However, to me this would imply either speed or damage. There was neither when I was there.
Yes, 18 Land Rovers (I think) in our group split into two groups. I said that already, come on, keep up!
**** off the ramblers? Why? It's a road and it's not their road! Besides over a weekend of 150 miles off road, I saw four ramblers! If you feel that offroading annoys the ramblers then don't do it! I will carry on if it's OK with you (or if it's not).
£110 is bad value is it? No. It isn't.
Feel free not to comment if you don't like me by the way, Paul.
I've not slagged anyone off. I disagreed with someone and used the word "horse****". Don't be so sensitive.
I saw nothing but responsible, sensible behaviour from Protrax. Ever been with them or are you arguing about something you don't know anything about?
Define "torn up"? Well, I wasn't the person that coined it originally, it was the OP so you should ask him. However, to me this would imply either speed or damage. There was neither when I was there.
Yes, 18 Land Rovers (I think) in our group split into two groups. I said that already, come on, keep up!
**** off the ramblers? Why? It's a road and it's not their road! Besides over a weekend of 150 miles off road, I saw four ramblers! If you feel that offroading annoys the ramblers then don't do it! I will carry on if it's OK with you (or if it's not).
£110 is bad value is it? No. It isn't.
Feel free not to comment if you don't like me by the way, Paul.
Sirus
Your all Banned except me
See my previous comment....if you cant understand that a group of 9 or 18 cars going through at one time would not cause "greenies" to have a hissy fit and push the council for lane closures which they are doing then there is no hope for you...we do use greenlanes responsibly (for free aswell) but the actions of groups that have no respect for the countryside or for the future of byways is disgusting. How short sighted are they that they will soon have nowhere to make their money if the lanes are closed ruining it for everybody.
Oh an James you are obviously so clued up on the running of these groups having been on one outing with them I take my hat of to your vast experience, ****.....oh I lost the argument by calling you a name
James R
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Hi Sirius. I don't buy anything you say. None of it. There was no irresponsible behaviour, no speed and no damage. The people we saw were happy to see us including the group of 12 or so horses who probably caused more mess than we did.
I am serious when I say that if you pander to the greens then you will eventually help them to get the whole green lane network shut down. It sounds like you agree with them actually which is a bit of a paradox. Politicians have been very adept at generating the necessary hysteria to get what they want. That's why I pay £400 a year road tax now.
I use my Land Rover on green lanes with respect but I also do it with staunch defence of my position. If 18 Land Rovers caused damage then that's one thing but, simply, in our case they just didn't and therefore there can be no argument. I'm not here to be popular because you don't agree with me. That's life, isn't it, Sirius?
By the way, I have now been off roading on green lanes and at p&p days for 20 years - this is the first guided event I've been on and I loved it. This might mean I know more about it than you?
I am serious when I say that if you pander to the greens then you will eventually help them to get the whole green lane network shut down. It sounds like you agree with them actually which is a bit of a paradox. Politicians have been very adept at generating the necessary hysteria to get what they want. That's why I pay £400 a year road tax now.
I use my Land Rover on green lanes with respect but I also do it with staunch defence of my position. If 18 Land Rovers caused damage then that's one thing but, simply, in our case they just didn't and therefore there can be no argument. I'm not here to be popular because you don't agree with me. That's life, isn't it, Sirius?
By the way, I have now been off roading on green lanes and at p&p days for 20 years - this is the first guided event I've been on and I loved it. This might mean I know more about it than you?
Sirus
Your all Banned except me
He is obviously blissfully ignorant. Probably be the first to moan that he cant drive a greenlane though.
James R you know the OP wasnt about last weekend?
You also know that 110 quid is not good value, seeing as youve already paided out for RFL, insuance, Tax on yer fuel and vehicle, MOT....etc.
You also know what public perception is?
You clearly dont know the effect of a large group on it.
Finally the way you are defending this, I suspect you work for protrax.
Protrax are a rip off and not very good.
STEER CLEAR!!!
Dorset VogueSE
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Please define your version of no damage, were you travelling at both the front of the lead group, assessing the state of the lane prior to 18 vehicles passing and at the rear of the second group to compare the track condition - I suspect not.
I have travelled this area with 90Boy and was impressed with his knowledge and respect for the area. During the trip we saw a group from Protrax, it was certainly greater in number than that recommended when laning.
James R
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Hi Goonarmy.
£110 is good value considering that an instructor who knows the trails well is with you at all times to guide, warn, navigate etc. Very useful when you've not been there before and worth paying for to not get stuck.
Yes, I am aware what public perception is and it applies to ramblers too. It's about time someone fought back on these people. They are ill-informed rabble who some people in this thread are pandering to. Large or small group, doesn't matter if you're not causing damage, inconvenience or trouble, none of which we did.
I do not work for Protrax just to state for the record. I have nothing to do with them except as a satisfied customer. Mind you, the way some people are slagging them off I suspect they must work for the opposition / competing organisation.
James R
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Don't be silly. I can see when a car caused damage and when it doesn't, especially when you are crossing solid rock.
I'm sure 90boy does know the area well. I never said he didn't.
Greater number than recommended by whom? It's a public road maintained by the council who are funded by my taxes (and yours).
James R
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Yes, thanks Griff, I do (and NERC and everything else). And your point is?
Widget
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Me and Griff are seriously thinking of setting up green lane tours for paying punters. There's clearly a market out there for it and I know we could do better than many of the other operators out there. We could charge a ton a weekend and newbies could follow us around (cos we go there anyway) - but at a bit of a distance - especially if their trucks are painted orange. If they cut up the lanes its' not our problem - we pay our road tax - it's our right etc etc.
Could put knobbly out of business - easy
Could put knobbly out of business - easy
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