Nodge68 said:

If you are looking to sell your Freelander and get a D2, forget it.

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Comes down to what Hippo said though...

Hippo said:

do you actually need a D2 or is it just a case you want it?

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They are both very good reasons to buy a car!

I'm really glad I've owned a Discovery - they are beasts (especially the V8s : ) They are so much bigger and taller than a Freelander, they feel like tanks - but are surprisingly good to drive - although terrible at stopping.

I am though extremely glad I drive a Freelander now! I had my limit of pumping in fuel and the damm thing breaking down. They're so much more difficult to work on than Freelander because everything is so big, heavy and rusted together. They do put a smile on your face - but only when you're not crying! I find I'm smiling a lot more frequently with the Freelander!

My advice Gary, if you can afford it, is to mothball your treasured Freelander and buy a D2. Run if for a few months and then decide which one you are going to flick on. If you want a fair chance of keeping the D2 - get a TD5, if your heart is with your Freelander, but you want some fun, get a V8 - I can guarantee you will pass it on after a few months because of the fuel - even though you may not do many miles, cold start town motoring I recon you'd get about 15mpg max out of a D2 V8. My D1 V8 did that on a run!

hi guys

my reasonings are ,

wish to stay with a landy

my parents are getting older, nearly 90 , wish to have a car that i can take them out in in comfort , 5 door

my late wife bought my landy and every time i get in the hippo i keep seeing her in the passenger seat , know it sounds daft

it's done nearly 180000 miles

been on a few of roading events near me but limited due to height

son and i wish to do some more greenlaning and possibly going on some holidays , with him , his wife , son and i ,

disco has air suspension easier to get in and out , but is still easy to get into the hippo

adore my hippo but want something bigger , dogs, bigger boot

ones i've looked at online

td5 , auto, 2004 so it has ace , es model , leather interior , cruise

have always wanted a really nice landy , this would be an upgrade

got £5k for a disco, possibly 6k

with a £1,000 cushion held in savings

GG , think it's a good idea as i can keep my hippo, if i declare it sorn can keep it on my drive , get a disco 2 , see how it goes and at least then if i don't like it, sell it then go back to my hippo

but will defenetely sell my hippo at some stage , the 3 door is making life hard , getting the dogs in and out, parents getting in the back is becoming harder

had landies now for around 30 x years, done the usual bits but quiet understand as i've got limitations due to my back that some jobs will be out of my remit , but my son has assured me that he will help me if anything needs done

i am always grateful and appreciate the advice and we've spoken for many years and regardless of me being middle aged and having a fair bit of landy knowledge i am so very grateful and thankful i have such good mates in here

just because i've got the money am not the sort of money to buy something on a whim , there are a few i've lined up to look at , but wouldn't hesitate

hopefully i may be able to find someone who may be so kind to tag along with me when i look at them, due to me never owning a disco before would be good having someone who knows them well

also there's always the love of owning a landy , stopping me getting bored, lol

thks guys , it does mean a lot to me

just seen this one

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classif...=at_cars&make=LAND ROVER&price-to=6000&page=2

The D2 air suspension isn't user controlled like that of the D3. It sits at one hight, unless it's gone wrong. Only the rear is air. The front is normal springs.
One of the reasons I got my D3, was to take my parents out, as they are getting on in years too. However my dad now has cancer induced mobility issues. This made it all but impossible to get him into the D3, even with the suspension right down. This was the final nail in the D3 coffin under my ownership.
The D3 is a lovely bit of kit, miles better than the D2. Both come with heavy price tags and a thirst for money. This is why I returned to a Freelander.
But if you have a need for a Discovery, then you'll have to get one. Even if you later decide it's to much to take on.

Nodge68 said:

The D2 air suspension isn't user controlled like that of the D3. It sits at one hight, unless it's gone wrong. Only the rear is air. The front is normal springs.
One of the reasons I got my D3, was to take my parents out, as they are getting on in years too. However my dad now has cancer induced mobility issues. This made it all but impossible to get him into the D3, even with the suspension right down. This was the final nail in the D3 coffin under my ownership.
The D3 is a lovely bit of kit, miles better than the D2. Both come with heavy price tags and a thirst for money. This is why I returned to a Freelander.
But if you have a need for a Discovery, then you'll have to get one. Even if you later decide it's to much to take on.

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am really sorry to hear about ur dad

the only thing that would concern me with the disco 3 is the amount of electronics

seen some d3 but have around 180,000 miles on the clock , ideally would like to get one with a max of say 120,000

been looking to see how the d2 and d3 compare in cost or replacement parts , reliability between the two of them

would only do i suspect around 3,000 miles per year

plus been trying to find a decent site that gives u what cars are worth , so if i saw one would know it was priced correctly

D3 electronics are Ford based, so pretty reliable. There are some really good diagnostic tools about for it too. The main problem areas are.
EPB needs careful adjustment.
The auto box needs correct servicing.
The tank fuel pump can pack up.
The air suspension system can be glitchy.
But otherwise they are not really any worse than the Freelander.
I don't like the D2. It's ugly and crude and rusts away.

Nodge68 said:

D3 electronics are Ford based, so pretty reliable. There are some really good diagnostic tools about for it too. The main problem areas are.
EPB needs careful adjustment.
The auto box needs correct servicing.
The tank fuel pump can pack up.
The air suspension system can be glitchy.
But otherwise they are not really any worse than the Freelander.
I don't like the D2. It's ugly and crude and rusts away.

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lol, funny how people see different things. I think the D2 looks like how a big 4x4 ought to - whereas the D3 in many colours just looks like a van!

I can see how your Freelander doesn't suit - you definitely need a 5 door. The D3 with the lowering suspension (and I presume from Nodge's description it lowers not just raises) sounds the more practical than the D2. Would a RR be an option - do the P38 have 4 wheel air suspension that lowers? If so I'm sure a really good late one could be found for not many £. They have the viscous center diff which in my book must be about the best transmission setup on any LR. Parts would presumably be better priced than a D3.

GrumpyGel said:

lol, funny how people see different things. I think the D2 looks like how a big 4x4 ought to - whereas the D3 in many colours just looks like a van!

I can see how your Freelander doesn't suit - you definitely need a 5 door. The D3 with the lowering suspension (and I presume from Nodge's description it lowers not just raises) sounds the more practical than the D2. Would a RR be an option - do the P38 have 4 wheel air suspension that lowers? If so I'm sure a really good late one could be found for not many £. They have the viscous center diff which in my book must be about the best transmission setup on any LR. Parts would presumably be better priced than a D3.

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thks, to be honest i thought the rangie suffered badly from electrics so didn't really give them much thought

certainally get a lot of car for around £5-6k

do they suffer as much as a disco 2 with there chassis

seen plenty of cheap d3 going , cat c, which i wouldn't even touch one , also seen a few with a so called suspected snapped cam belt , no thks

another d3 had a starting problem starts with easystart but then cuts out , gulp ,lol

prefer the look of a disco 3 if i'm honest

is it the L322 rangie , but again haven't got a clue what there like

https://www.cargurus.co.uk/Cars/inv...=false&filtersModified=true#listing=121987845

Nodge68 said:

D3 electronics are Ford based, so pretty reliable. There are some really good diagnostic tools about for it too. The main problem areas are.
EPB needs careful adjustment.
The auto box needs correct servicing.
The tank fuel pump can pack up.
The air suspension system can be glitchy.
But otherwise they are not really any worse than the Freelander.
I don't like the D2. It's ugly and crude and rusts away.

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i do prefer the d3 looks and imagine it's nicer to drive over the d2

good to know ref the ford electrics

got no problems with one that needs abit of work, but would stay away from slipping auto gearboxes

hard to start ones may just be a fuel pump issue or may be something very serious

what would u consider to be high mileage , what cut off point would u not consider

saw one cheap but had 202,000 miles on the clock

would 160,000 miles be the max mileage

another thought is as we are going into the winter prices are normally higher

got no problem waiting till a nice one comes up

got a hawkeye and see i can get an unlock code for it, think there nearly 160 quid for the code

thks again hope ur not banging ur head against the wall ,

range rover


http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classif...esel&sort=price-desc&model=RANGE ROVER&page=1

gstuart said:

i do prefer the d3 looks and imagine it's nicer to drive over the d2

good to know ref the ford electrics

got no problems with one that needs abit of work, but would stay away from slipping auto gearboxes

hard to start ones may just be a fuel pump issue or may be something very serious

what would u consider to be high mileage , what cut off point would u not consider

saw one cheap but had 202,000 miles on the clock

would 160,000 miles be the max mileage

another thought is as we are going into the winter prices are normally higher

got no problem waiting till a nice one comes up

got a hawkeye and see i can get an unlock code for it, think there nearly 160 quid for the code

thks again hope ur not banging ur head against the wall ,

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I bought my D3 with 145K miles and sold it at 180K. It drove nicer at 180K than it did at 145K. I basically fixed all the previous bodges and replaced all the suspension components. I did a few other improvements along the way too.
I love the D3. I just can't justify one these days.

If you went for the D3. You're better off selling the Hawkeye on and buying one of the far more superior IID tools instead. The Hawkeye is a toy by comparison to that.

Nodge68 said:

I bought my D3 with 145K miles and sold it at 180K. It drove nicer at 180K than it did at 145K. I basically fixed all the previous bodges and replaced all the suspension components. I did a few other improvements along the way too.
I love the D3. I just can't justify one these days.

If you went for the D3. You're better off selling the Hawkeye on and buying one of the far more superior IID tools instead. The Hawkeye is a toy by comparison to that.

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still got the info u said about the iid tools

thks , another thing i have to consider is insurance , been looking to see what ins group mine is , pay £400 a year fully comp, with full breakdown cover , flux

a rangie would be i imagine more expensive to repair, insure than a disco 3

don't mind if a d3 came up cheap , around 4k with some faults and use the spare cash to fix it, but all depends on what's wrong

think as long as the engine and gearbox are sound , other fixes shouldn't be to bad,famous last words, but the links u also sent me i've been going through them bit by bit , lol

like to go into as much details in buying a car, always get the full credit and history check and never pay the ticket price there asking , always start a grand lower for starters and always happy to walk away as there's always others around

a few mates have different ones

this was one of them, he also had one i think was called sergio???

http://www.scantool-direct.co.uk/carecar-aet-1-land-rover-range-rover-diagnostic-system.html

That is a gorgeous looking D2

If you can get a (L322?) RR for the same price as a D3 its a much better looking car to me (and much better than the P38) - but its not me buying it

The only obvious solution though is a 50th Anniversary 5 door L Series Freelander - and you'd have £1,000s left over for even more bling Not helping am I!

Insurance was an interesting one Gary. My D3 cost 20% less to insure than both my V6 Freelander and current TD4 Freelander.

GrumpyGel said:

That is a gorgeous looking D2

If you can get a (L322?) RR for the same price as a D3 its a much better looking car to me (and much better than the P38) - but its not me buying it

The only obvious solution though is a 50th Anniversary 5 door L Series Freelander - and you'd have £1,000s left over for even more bling Not helping am I!

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that's it try and confuse me,

it's a disco 3 by the way , lol

will get some ins quotes first for a rangie and d3 , keep swinging towards a d3 mind ,

would like it in black, tan leather interior , nice to dream but just want to wait until one comes up

put the money aside and will add some more as the months go buy

when i do definitely decide on a model will buy a diagnostic system , can then take it along with me, so if faults come up can knock a bit more off the price

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Insurance was an interesting one Gary. My D3 cost 20% less to insure than both my V6 Freelander and current TD4 Freelander.

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blimey that's good, seeing i'm 50 have 5 x years ncb i wouldn't have thought my ins would be very high

maybe it's because the hippo is faster , but can do more damage with a d3 , lol

If you want leather, you need to be looking at an SE or HSE.
Imho the SE is the best value for money. HSEs are over priced and gain little useful kit over the SE. Most HSE options you want can be retrofitted into the SE anyway.
The D3 model specs are below: I'll just list the extra bits each model adds over the lower spec.
Base 5 seater. This is 5 cloth seats, spring suspension and no Terrain Response.
Base 7 seater. This adds 7 seats, Electronic Air Suspension, TR and a better dash.
S. Adds, CC and radio controls on the steering wheel, heated cloth front seats and heated front screen.
SE adds heated leather seats front and back, sat navigation with vehicle status display, Harmon Kardon 11 speaker sound system, footwell & puddle lights, power fold mirrors, 18" wheels and HID headlights.
HSE adds memory electric seats a glass panel sunroof. Rear air conditioning controls, Logic 7 14 speaker surround sound system and 19" wheels.
This is from memory so I could have missed something. Also many higher spec options find there way onto the lower spec models. Either because the original purchaser specified something particular, or was fitted by a subsequent owner.

All D3s have ABS with EBA and TC, remote locking and electric windows and a complement of 6 airbags.

They are brilliant cars. I still miss mine, except for the costs.

Just my 2 penneth on the D2 ( as i had one)
All day comfort loads of room ( i'm a fatty and over 6ft)
no air bags on mine as it was the run out pursuit on a 03/04 plate
575 miles to a tank for £84 quids worth of diesel ( it was a manual)
handles well for its size and stops better than many transit vans i've driven

Yes not as modern as the D3 but for your budget you'd get a low miles late model facelift with all the toys on thats been looked after mechanically and chassis wise with frequent wax oils