LOL, I think your idea of cheap and mine are a little different Nodge.

That is cheap for an AC EV vehicle motor of that size Ali. A Tesla unit of that KW rating will cost over 10 times as much.:eek:

It's this huge EV cost, that makes them a dream for many, including me.:(

I know of a guy that builds EBMW's with old forklift motors he got for free.

That's my kinda conversion costs.
The batteries are a huge outlay too. Even lead acid batteries are expensive, but pale into insignificance by comparison to LiPo technology batteries. Tesla are looking to get there LiPo production costs down to under $100 per KWh, but couldn't get them below $200 per KWh, last time I checked.

This is my main concern with current EV vehicles on the market. If the batteries and power systems are costing 3/4 of the total cost of the whole vehicle, then how cheaply made is the last 1/4 of the vehicle. :confused:

Looking at the efficiency of these new EVs, they appear very cheap to run. However this still doesn't take into account the high initial purchase costs and ridiculous price of new batteries, when they become necessary.

I'd still like to have a go at a sensible priced EV Freelander though. I'm sure it's possible, although it'll never attain proprietary EV car ranges.:(
 
That is cheap for an AC EV vehicle motor of that size Ali. A Tesla unit of that KW rating will cost over 10 times as much.:eek:

It's this huge EV cost, that makes them a dream for many, including me.:(



That's my kinda conversion costs.
The batteries are a huge outlay too. Even lead acid batteries are expensive, but pale into insignificance by comparison to LiPo technology batteries. Tesla are looking to get there LiPo production costs down to under $100 per KWh, but couldn't get them below $200 per KWh, last time I checked.

This is my main concern with current EV vehicles on the market. If the batteries and power systems are costing 3/4 of the total cost of the whole vehicle, then how cheaply made is the last 1/4 of the vehicle. :confused:

Looking at the efficiency of these new EVs, they appear very cheap to run. However this still doesn't take into account the high initial purchase costs and ridiculous price of new batteries, when they become necessary.

I'd still like to have a go at a sensible priced EV Freelander though. I'm sure it's possible, although it'll never attain proprietary EV car ranges.:(
I think at the moment they still need government intervention to make the purchase price acceptable, some companies only lease the batteries so they can use them for battery banks when the car is gone, but I don't think it will be long before the price falls low enough for the batteries and motor to be cheaper than a petrol or diesel engine. Part of the problem is car companies don't like them, as they are more reliable and need less servicing.
I'd still love to replace the VCU in a Freelander with a motor for a homebrew hybrid. :p
For the moment I'm having fun with my Ebike conversion. The current one uses an alternator bolted to a frame above the rear wheel with a belt going to a washing machine pulley bolted to the rear wheel. A couple of days ago I replaced the controller with a 1500W one and now it does 30mph on the flat with only 36V. I'm looking forward to seeing what it's like with the new batteries I've ordered taking it up to 48V :eek:
I'm building a new ebike with a Rover ZT160 alternator fixed in front of the pedals and a chain going to the crank. I found a freewheel crank from a company called SJS so when the motor is turning the pedals can stay still. I'll post about it when I'm a bit further on.
 
I think at the moment they still need government intervention to make the purchase price acceptable
Agreed, although they hit expensive EV with new EV purchase tax recently, which is a backwards step. :confused:

some companies only lease the batteries so they can use them for battery banks when the car is gone,

Renault charge a £75 per month lease on the batteries, IIRC. That's the equivalent of a full tank of diesel in a Freelander.:rolleyes:
For the moment I'm having fun with my Ebike conversion. The current one uses an alternator bolted to a frame above the rear wheel with a belt going to a washing machine pulley bolted to the rear wheel. A couple of days ago I replaced the controller with a 1500W one and now it does 30mph on the flat with only 36V. I'm looking forward to seeing what it's like with the new batteries I've ordered taking it up to 48V :eek:

Don't forget to do a video of it Ali.;)
 
Agreed, although they hit expensive EV with new EV purchase tax recently, which is a backwards step. :confused:



Renault charge a £75 per month lease on the batteries, IIRC. That's the equivalent of a full tank of diesel in a Freelander.:rolleyes:


Don't forget to do a video of it Ali.;)
There are some videos of it here. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRhFZUZKXlOEvw35vr4P-7g
Since the last one was made I replaced the LiPo batteries with Samsung INR 18650 30Q batteries and in the last couple of days the controller with a 1500W 36/48V one. I didn't think it would make much difference with the same batteries but OMG. It's brilliant. :D I had it out last night and couldn't believe the difference. I need to check what current it's now drawing but I tink it must be near 40A.
 
Hmm. About 120 bhp. I won't buy this one, but I'll give that some consideration in a few years time, as I fancy building a Hill Climb special from scratch one day (when all these bits are more readily available from a the scrap yard!) :D

But yes, this would be awesome for an FL1 project - same power as a K-series, but with instant torque. Buy a project car now Nodge, while they're still readily available and cheap! ;)
 
Hmm. About 120 bhp. I won't buy this one, but I'll give that some consideration in a few years time, as I fancy building a Hill Climb special from scratch one day (when all these bits are more readily available from a the scrap yard!) :D

But yes, this would be awesome for an FL1 project - same power as a K-series, but with instant torque. Buy a project car now Nodge, while they're still readily available and cheap! ;)

The more I think about it, the more an electric FL1 makes sense. I'm not thinking of hundreds of miles range, but something like 100 miles range would be fine. Unfortunately the initial outlay for it is substantial and the returns are small.
 
The more I think about it, the more an electric FL1 makes sense. I'm not thinking of hundreds of miles range, but something like 100 miles range would be fine. Unfortunately the initial outlay for it is substantial and the returns are small.
If you know what your doing and don't mind spending lots of time searching for the parts it can be done.


The range is kinda rubbish but just dd more batteries.
 
Its a shame Tony Reeves ventured into AG and decided LZ wasn't the place for him!

He had plans to build a hybrid F1 replacing the VCU with a motor. He'd got a lot of the parts together to do it and had the knowledge, skills, ability, time and desire to do it. He would have done to if he hadn't ventured into AG. I saw he sold all the bits on our Kiwi auction site a while after he left. Shame.
 
What on earth in AG would put him off? A shame though: would have been interesting to see an Electric FL1 take shape
 
Anything Goes is a lot tamer than before. Years ago I would get battered fer just looking in there. They have all gone soft and politically correct now. Tis an acquired taste but can be quite entertaining.
 

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