htr

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I’ve enjoyed enormously reading about Disco_Mikey’s repower of his 1.8 with a 1.8Turbo unit. Others have speculated on a VVC conversion jda070504 & James1966h to name two, something that I and others wish to explore.

Is it possible to have a forum or sub forum on here where interested peeps can post their info’ ideas and successes and questions. A general ‘how to’ so to speak.

More than happy to kick it off with my experiences such as they are.

I’m not sure how to go about this, can a more knowledgeable person advise?
 
It would be good. The 1.8T conversion was a brilliant read. The more the conversions get done, the more people will find easier ways to do things. The 1.8 turbo conversion into MG ZRs is pretty much a plug and play conversion now retaining standard engine loom and ecu, 3 years ago it was almost unheard of.
 
We'd need a secret password to stop the trattors coming in and making fun of us. They're very mean and nasty about our wee K series. :(
 
We'd need a secret password to stop the trattors coming in and making fun of us. They're very mean and nasty about our wee K series. :(

Gaylander as password or softroader lol
 
Perhaps they've decided they cant fix theirs and are looking for hints here .....

The smart comments are probably an attempt to divert attention from the real reason they're snooping.
 
My mod’s to the motor of a st’d K series 1.8 with about 183k on the clock. Everything is bog standard.

I bought mine as a non-runner - the cam belt had jumped causing a piston to bend 2 exhaust valves.
As the head was coming off I took the opportunity to do some other things.

My main focus was to make an easier breathing engine, better gas flow = better torque/power and hopefully better economy to boot.

The basics were done, replaced w’pump, cam tensioner and belt. New H’ bolts and gasket of course. I fitted a strengthened bottom oil rail and as the sump was off I took off the oil pump too and mod’d as per the Kengine site suggestions. Rounding off sharp right angle turns in the oil flow path. Fitted a new pressure relief valve spring seal and ‘o’ ring seal.



Inlet manifold: I bought a Dremel and used it and a TC burr to trim out the plastic flash that’s about 100mm up each of the plastic runners. The flash is a left over from manufacture. I checked that the inlet ports matched those of the inlet manifold - the plastic ones were slightly smaller on mine so I left them alone as their wall thickness wouldn’t allow much to be removed [ if any].

Exhaust manifold: Using my Dremel I ground off any welding splatter and sharp edges that the gas flow would encounter. I did this at each joint in the front half of the exhaust system. I also removed the cat converter. I checked the head ports and manifold ports and trimmed a wee bit out of some of the manifold ports to make the size match. The gasket was left alone.

Head: I again used my Dremel and a TC burr and opened up the coolant apertures on both sides of the head. I just took them out to where the casting showed they could go to. Some were poorly opened up at manufacture and so wound up more than twice as big!.


All valves were back trimmed as per the Kengine site suggestions. Only a slight trim was needed. Each valve was ‘enshrouded’ in the head.

Unshrouded valves! :)
The Valve seats commonly protrude a step in their respective valve throat. This step was trimmed with my Dremel and smoothed off to a much improved curve.

I've trimmed the Inlet valve seat insert here, the black felt pen marks show where a bit more is to come off. Done for exhaust and inlet where needed.
The short radius curves into the valve throats were trimmed a bit too but not a lot, just to even them all up. I also opened up just a small amount in each throat where they transition to their runner. I Removed some material around the valve guide in each throat too but didn’t trim off the guide as some do. On the inlet side I left the surface quite rough with a course sanding drum.
The exhaust runners were opened up a bit too and the hump on the ‘roof’ was lowered by about 1mm. The biurifacation in each runner on the exhaust side was trimmed and the visible edge wound up quite sharp which is ok on the exhaust but should be avoided on the inlet side - leave it blunt. Valves were lapped in. A thorough clean and then reassemble.

I fabricated a cold air feed. It comes from under the left wing and up through the hole left over when the resonator box is removed. I used 65mm plastic down pipe and fittings!.


Some flexi ducting is needed either side of my air filter which is a K&N Apollo.



I added three other things: an oil pressure gauge,

a coolant level sensor [a la Hippo]


and an engine oil cooler. The cooler operates via a thermostat plate that fits over the spin off filter mounting plate.


Result: It runs pretty well. I seem to average about 30 to 31 mpg and can easily get 35. My best is 38! It pulls well in top gear from about 40km/h - albeit slowly. Top speed - don’t know and not really important to me. Under hard acceleration it makes quite a sporty noise, a combination of a free flowing exhaust but the CAF and K&N filter allow for some noise too.

If I had the time /MONEY I’d rebuild the motor and have the crank, pistons and rods carefully balanced to smooth out the motor more - not that it’s rough.

Next step: I want to explore cam timing to ensure / achieve optimal performance.

However, I recently acquired a VVC 143 motor with only 105km on it. I would make an ideal transplant and would bolt straight in. I find the electrical side of things the most worrying. That's where I'd like guidance and advice.

Links: K Engine page
Hippo's coolant level sensor
 
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@htr ,you did upgrade to the oil sump because by mounting an oil cooling circuit, oil pressure could drop drastically when the thermostat opens.....

for the rest .... congratulations:clap2:

(some pictures can not be seen:confused:)
 
Nice work htr. but I'm still to be convinced about the benefits of a VVC engine in a hippo.
According to some figures I've seen below 4000 rpm it will give less power than a standard 1.8. granted above 4000 rpm it will give more power but then how often will you want to rev out a hippo. I do it fairly often in my MGF but then it handles a bit better.
 
Nice work htr. but I'm still to be convinced about the benefits of a VVC engine in a hippo.
According to some figures I've seen below 4000 rpm it will give less power than a standard 1.8. granted above 4000 rpm it will give more power but then how often will you want to rev out a hippo. I do it fairly often in my MGF but then it handles a bit better.

Thanks Alibro, that's the kind of comment I need to consider. Could you point me at those figures you referred to? Nodge suggested that the idea of exploring tweaking the cam timing could reap improvements. A remap was suggested to but I don't think that's possible with the MEMS1.9 ECU. My budget doesn't run to Verner pulleys. I've a spare pair of st'd pulleys and will look at extending that roll pin slot to allow for adjustment.

Another idea I'd like to learn more about is this water injection. There are a variety of kits available. All targeted at the high performance forced induction motors. K series in a FL1 is certainly not high performance. From the little I've read it could be a goer with an aftermarket ECU - makes it a bit pricey though.
 
No, mems 1.9 isn't mappable. You'd need post 2001 to be mems 3 then you can use a company called z&f tuning who can do it. They are the guys that worked on mapping the cars at Rover so they know their stuff.
A 52mm throttle body, tf 135 cams, a good port and polish and decent cold air feed should see over 140 after mapping. vvc head with solid cam conversion with a free flowing manifold will see much more.
It can't be too hard to convert from mems 1.9 to 3 as its quite common on Rover/MG's, using mems 3 gives you the nasp option above, or drop a 1.8t in.
 
Here is one page I found with a quick Google. I can't remember what I was looking at before but it was on the internet so it must be true. :p
www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&...hIHoAg&usg=AFQjCNE3rcnczlVeMfnSbV6fwaHfAJxkug
I think Landrover stuck to the 118 because it gives higher torque figures at lower rpm. Pity they didn't fit the 1.8T as standard. My MGF VVC is a crackin wee car and goes well but needs to be revved over 4000 rpm to get the best from it.
 
No, mems 1.9 isn't mappable. You'd need post 2001 to be mems 3 then you can use a company called z&f tuning who can do it. They are the guys that worked on mapping the cars at Rover so they know their stuff.
A 52mm throttle body, tf 135 cams, a good port and polish and decent cold air feed should see over 140 after mapping. vvc head with solid cam conversion with a free flowing manifold will see much more.
It can't be too hard to convert from mems 1.9 to 3 as its quite common on Rover/MG's, using mems 3 gives you the nasp option above, or drop a 1.8t in.

There are a couple of points that aren't quite correct here. First off the 52mm TB is worth nothing in terms of outright power production on the standard are even modified 1.8 Freelander K. Sure it will feel like power has improved but in reality it's worth nothing. Having a larger throat, the engine simply gets more air at a lesser pedal position, giving the effect of more power. The engine can on use the air it can draw into the cylinders. With the 52mm TB, this happens when the butterfly is about half open
Secondly the 135 cams wouldn't be any use in the Freelander engine. They push the top end power up, but only by sacrificing valuable low to mid RPM torque. This is fine in a light car like the F, but hopeless in a heavy lump like the Freelander.
I agree that the VVC head can make some good power, but again only at the loss of bottom end.
By far the most useful spread of torque comes from the VVC engine. The VVC makes slightly more torque at low RPM and holds the torque higher than the standard 1.8, right up to the limiter.

Edit.
That last bit isn't 100% accurate. The turbo K series has the best spread of torque and the most too but turbocharging is cheating.
 
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What's wrong with cheating? :D

The VVC might give a little more torque but I'm not sure in the real world you will feel it. Yes it's a great engine in a sports car but I'm still not convinced it would be worth the work. What you really want is loads of torque which requires either more cc or a turbo.
The most sensible option is to change to diesel and fit a Ronbox or remap.
The most fun option is to install a 1.8T or a V6.
 
Re power charts for the variety of K series 1.8 motors. In my reading and internet travels I've come across these. The first came from an Australian company which supplied a chip to enhance the 1.8s performance. Powerchip

The upper lines of each area are the stated power gains so the lower lines [green & blue] show standard power outputs for a 1.8 FL1.

The next on comes off the MGF MGTF engine option page. As it says it's for the st'd K4 1.8 motor. This motor will have a 'hotter' cam arrangement.
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This next one is for the spare VVC motor I've already got sitting at home. [135hp]
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These last two should be very similar to the previous two but I forget where I got them - some of you may be able to tell me. Apologies that they are harder to read.

 
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It's a great shame someone couldn't design a "torque" cam and tuning package for the freelander 1.8
 
A mildly tuned 1.8 Turbo, with an MG ZT engine tune on it. Made 181bhp Max

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Hits 115bhp (Max output of an N/A 1.8) at 3,000rpm and keeps climbing

Hits 118lb ft at less than 1500rpm

I want mine on a dyno now :D
 

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