Datatek said:
I would never buy a recent Land Rover product too complicated and poorly made, I only have the P38 because I can't afford a decent 4 x 4:rolleyes: The benefit of crap quality and reliability is very low second hand prices.
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That's not what the guy from the Highways Agency told me, having just handed one back at the end of the 3 year lease period (having been used 24/7 and showing 330,000 miles), told me. Apparently more robust, more reliable, nicer to drive, better able to tow and better liked than the alternative Shoguns amongst around 90% of the Agency staff :D
 
It doesn't matter, the Chinese copy everything but don't export much in the way of cars
 
Tigger said:
That's not what the guy from the Highways Agency told me, having just handed one back at the end of the 3 year lease period (having been used 24/7 and showing 330,000 miles), told me. Apparently more robust, more reliable, nicer to drive, better able to tow and better liked than the alternative Shoguns amongst around 90% of the Agency staff :D
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So he got a good one, government ones are from SVO are they not? Look at the JD Power surveys, apart from the recent D4, they are all in the bottom 10% for warranty claims in the first 2/3 years. Look at all the problems coming up with L322's already. Sure some of them are nicer to drive if you discount the stress of hoping that it won't fail en-route. The big Toyota 4 x 4 leaves LR stuff for dead when it comes to reliability even if they have dropped off a bit in recent years, have you never wondered why all the international agencies don't use any LR products these days?
 
Datatek said:
So he got a good one, government ones are from SVO are they not? Look at the JD Power surveys, apart from the recent D4, they are all in the bottom 10% for warranty claims in the first 2/3 years. Look at all the problems coming up with L322's already. Sure some of them are nicer to drive if you discount the stress of hoping that it won't fail en-route. The big Toyota 4 x 4 leaves LR stuff for dead when it comes to reliability even if they have dropped off a bit in recent years, have you never wondered why all the international agencies don't use any LR products these days?
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If SVO are involved, it's only to load them to the gunnels with additional hardware and electrical systems. Systems that they told me have caught fire to wiring looms in the Shoguns, but not the Landy. I'm happy to take the word of an organisation that runs a large fleet of them, nationally, each of them clocking up 2-3 times the average lifetime of the vehicle in 3 years.

I have no idea why the "international agencies don't use LR products these days" (if that is indeed the case), but if LR can sell their products at near list price, why should they have to subsidise "international agencies" by offering the eye watering discounts that they will almost certainly insist on - leave that to the Far East manufacturers who only tend to be interested in "10% more volume than last year".

With the greatest of respect, I'm not sure it's fair to judge the reliability of any manufacturer by looking at the reliability of a 15 year old car; it's too dependant on the way it's been treated and serviced over that time.
 
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Tigger said:
If SVO are involved, it's only to load them to the gunnels with additional hardware and electrical systems. Systems that they told me have caught fire to wiring looms in the Shoguns, but not the Landy. I'm happy to take the word of an organisation that runs a large fleet of them, nationally, each of them clocking up 2-3 times the average lifetime of the vehicle in 3 years.

I have no idea why the "international agencies don't use LR products these days" (if that is indeed the case), but if LR can sell their products at near list price, why should they have to subsidise "international agencies" by offering the eye watering discounts that they will almost certainly insist on - leave that to the Far East manufacturers who only tend to be interested in "10% more volume than last year".

With the greatest of respect, I'm not sure it's fair to judge the reliability of any manufacturer by looking at the reliability of a 15 year old car; it's too dependant on the way it's been treated and serviced over that time.
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Just go look at the reliability figures for L322's, D3's and other recent LR products. Not good. My P38 has never let me down but is full of niggling problems that I would not tolerate if I was working.
 
Datatek said:
Just go look at the reliability figures for L322's, D3's and other recent LR products. Not good. My P38 has never let me down but is full of niggling problems that I would not tolerate if I was working.
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I am slowly working on de niggling my P38. Don't want to talk too loud in case she hears but I now have central locking but only on the key, not the fob. Everything else works.
 
Rob Edge said:
I am slowly working on de niggling my P38. Don't want to talk too loud in case she hears but I now have central locking but only on the key, not the fob. Everything else works.
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Does the LED light on the FOB when you press the button? Is the RF receiver in place?
 
Datatek said:
Does the LED light on the FOB when you press the button? Is the RF receiver in place?
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I have tried new batteries in the fob and it did light up for a few weeks but never opened the doors. I have to say having all the doors now working is good enough for me. Forgot that I still have to sort the aircon belt.
 
Datatek said:
Just go look at the reliability figures for L322's, D3's and other recent LR products. Not good. My P38 has never let me down but is full of niggling problems that I would not tolerate if I was working.
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I tend to find it hard to get dependable reliability information:


I've just tried the JD Power's website that quotes a figure between 0 and five stars, the "LR4" falling into either 2 or 3 stars (depending on year), but quoting absolutely no evidence or statistical analysis to back it up.

Warranty Direct quote figures, though I wouldn't trust them to speak my weight, let along give information to make a purchasing decision on. Interestingly, their "bottom 10" are as follows:

1 Audi RS6
2 BMW M5
3 Nissan GT-R
4 Porsche 911
5 Bentley Continental GT
6 Mercedes-Benz CL
7 Mercedes-Benz V-Class
8 Citroen C6 512.00
9 Mercedes-Benz SL
10 Mercedes-Benz GL

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Land Rover is no where to be seen and no one who "knows stuff" would ever want to suggest that any of the above (C6 excepted) could ever be unreliable. Still, everyone loves a good Land Rover unreliability story!

Please give me a link to the "reliability figures" of which you refer and I will follow it and read it
 
Tigger said:
I tend to find it hard to get dependable reliability information:


I've just tried the JD Power's website that quotes a figure between 0 and five stars, the "LR4" falling into either 2 or 3 stars (depending on year), but quoting absolutely no evidence or statistical analysis to back it up.

Warranty Direct quote figures, though I wouldn't trust them to speak my weight, let along give information to make a purchasing decision on. Interestingly, their "bottom 10" are as follows:

1 Audi RS6
2 BMW M5
3 Nissan GT-R
4 Porsche 911
5 Bentley Continental GT
6 Mercedes-Benz CL
7 Mercedes-Benz V-Class
8 Citroen C6 512.00
9 Mercedes-Benz SL
10 Mercedes-Benz GL

Home - Car Reliability Index | Reliability Index | How reliable is your car?

Land Rover is no where to be seen and no one who "knows stuff" would ever want to suggest that any of the above (C6 excepted) could ever be unreliable. Still, everyone loves a good Land Rover unreliability story!

Please give me a link to the "reliability figures" of which you refer and I will follow it and read it
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Too many fan boys on this site. They are unreliable. We all know it all too well. Link or no link. Doesn't mean we love them less.
 
goonarmy said:
Too many fan boys on this site. They are unreliable. We all know it all too well. Link or no link. Doesn't mean we love them less.
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Does asking for data and evidence to back up claims and opinions make me a "fan boy", or am I just seeking a bit of informed balance? :confused:
 
Tigger said:
Does asking for data and evidence to back up claims and opinions make me a "fan boy", or am I just seeking a bit of informed balance? :confused:
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Anecdotal evidence from other landrover users hasn't appeased you so yes it does. How about your own experiences? Ever had a Hadlex go?
 
Around 140,000 miles in FL2's over 4 years and the answer to that is "No". I've just spoken to the person who bought my original FL2 at 89,000 files; it's now done 116,000 and it's just had the rear diff replaced, but it's still on Haldex number 1. Seems fair for 4 year's hard use.
 
Tigger said:
Around 140,000 miles in FL2's over 4 years and the answer to that is "No". I've just spoken to the person who bought my original FL2 at 89,000 files; it's now done 116,000 and it's just had the rear diff replaced, but it's still on Haldex number 1. Seems fair for 4 year's hard use.
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Well that's the most common fault with FL 2s and quite well known. It's known for a reason on what otherwise is seemly a reliable vehicle
 
No link until the next lot of stats are published, I got the figures from the French Le Argus plus plenty of first hand and anecdotal experience. FL2's seem to be one off the better vehicles.
Merc of the last decade or so are crap, rust before your eyes and plenty of other problems, a friend had to scrap a big estate at 8 years old due to chassis corrosion, most amusing fault was the same guys Merc coupé with a hydraulically operated retracting roof, when he tried to shut it, it soaked him in hydraulic fluid :rolleyes:
 
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