if you're not intending to commute to work or travel hundreds of miles hear, there and everywhere, and you have the time and money, then I would rebuild it too.

i had an old 90TD and the 19J gave up the ghost on more than 1 occasion but that's because I used it everyday and drove to the Lake District every year and Cornwall every month!

they're good workhorses but they don't like the miles! look after it and it will look after you!
 
Rougharse Racing said:
My observations regarding 200tdi and 300tdi motors is based on the fact that the source of 200tdi engines has virtually dried up
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Don't be daft, it's not as if there is 20 ****ing years difference between when 200's and 300's where available.

200 was 1989 to 1994. And the 300 was 1994 to 1998 (yes it was available overseas/Mil, after 98, but that doesn't make them more available used in the UK).

Yes there might be more 300Tdi's available in total, but neither are rare engines, it was Land Rover's main engine and the UK is there biggest market. There are quite literally 1000's of them. Saying don't go for a 200tdi because it's rare is like saying don't go to Burger King, as there are more Mcdonalds.



Rougharse Racing said:
there are other hassles associated with fitting a 200tdi Discovery engine in a 90.
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Care to expand on this, what hassles do you get with a 200Tdi that you don't with a 300?
 
K14 said:
As already said 200 tdi parts a drying up.
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I do wish people would give up posting this tied BS....

Oh ****! Look, f'ing loads of parts.
http://www.paddockspares.com/parts-...discovery-1/engine-parts/200tdi.html?limit=25


I don't mean to be rude, but NO, there really isn't a shortage of engine parts at all. Almost everything is available new and what isn't, is available reconditioned. Many people manage to run far older and far more oddball classic cars with much much smaller parts supply. 200Tdi's are very well catered for, if you actually go and look.
 
Ddirect said:
Thanks for all the replies, more food for thought. I think I'll have a couple of weeks to mull things over. I'm lucky it's just my weekend car so no need to rush.
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In that case, I would seriously consider V8 power. It offers no negatives as a weekend car, but a wealth of positives.

And just stick the old 19j in storage somewhere. If prices ever rise enough that it's worth restoring to original condition, you'll have the engine, which will just need a bits to get it going. That said, I doubt very much that 2.5 TD's will be all that sought after in years to come, not unless the rest of the is A1+ condition. People will want the 50th Anni, or Tomb Raiders or Heritage ones. Or factory V8's.
 
I don't go to Burger King cos the one by me have a policy of only employing aggressive Eastern Europeans who cant speak English. At least the Asians in MacDonalds speak the lingo at least as good as me.

Col
 
Whether you get a 200tdi or 300tdi does not matter. It will transform your landy especially if you don't have power steering before hand and fit that as well.
 
Just to put a fly in the ointment I think the 19j and 200 blocks are one and the same?
19j 21 to 1 comp ratio
200 19 to 1 comp ratio

200 simply put great engine, will do intergalactic mileage and still start with a flick of the key in all weathers, even when its half shagged.

Iirc 19j is 0.5 bar boost, def 200 is 0.75 boost and disco 200 is near as dammit 1 bar boost, so if the 19j cant handle 0.5 bar?

300 good engine but some idiot thought a high mounted water pump was a good idea?
 
300bhp/ton said:
I do wish people would give up posting this tied BS....

Oh ****! Look, f'ing loads of parts.
http://www.paddockspares.com/parts-...discovery-1/engine-parts/200tdi.html?limit=25


I don't mean to be rude, but NO, there really isn't a shortage of engine parts at all. Almost everything is available new and what isn't, is available reconditioned. Many people manage to run far older and far more oddball classic cars with much much smaller parts supply. 200Tdi's are very well catered for, if you actually go and look.
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The link I put to Turners was to the 2.5TD page of engine parts, never mind the 200's.

If you have the good fortune for your Landy just to be your weekend vehicle, then the V8 has got to be favourite. The mrs uses our as her daily drive to work, so it wouldn't be economical. However, I've rebuilt the Landy to it's original spec and colour, so it's 300Tdi forever in mine. If I was in your position though, I'd put in a V8. It would be great to have that to look forward to at the end of the week. :)
 
The point I was making with parts availability may have been misunderstood so I will elaborate. You can still buy new 300 tdi cylinder heads etc,and from some sources complete engines. But some 200 tdi parts, heads etc are long since discontinued.
Anyway I'm now of to mc Donald's to get a root beer
 
The 19J, if reasonably well maintained, will easily run half a million miles without missing a beat, which is why they were used by a certain London Taxicab Company, who may even be prepared to let you have some spares, or even full engines!!
So please don't knock one of the best 'clogger' engines ever made!!
If you want speed, get a sports car, if you want raw power, get yourself a Fordson Dexter, but if you want reliability use a 19J .. end of!!
 
300bhp/ton said:
In that case, I would seriously consider V8 power. It offers no negatives as a weekend car, but a wealth of positives.

And just stick the old 19j in storage somewhere. If prices ever rise enough that it's worth restoring to original condition, you'll have the engine, which will just need a bits to get it going. That said, I doubt very much that 2.5 TD's will be all that sought after in years to come, not unless the rest of the is A1+ condition. People will want the 50th Anni, or Tomb Raiders or Heritage ones. Or factory V8's.
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V8 is a very good idea! :)

Not sure about the original TDs, though. Mine is fairly clean and straight, all original, except for the locking axles and tyres. I paid £2700 in 2008, and looking at the LRO guides, and actual prices achieved by people I know, I would expect to get £6000 to £7500 now.
I have spent a lot of money on it, but then again, I have also had 32,000 trouble free miles, mostly on farm work and local mileage, so a lot of that was earning as well.

TheQ said:
Whether you get a 200tdi or 300tdi does not matter. It will transform your landy especially if you don't have power steering before hand and fit that as well.
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A good, well set-up 2.5TD is more than adequate for local mileage and work. If you want to cruise long distance high speed, not so good.

lynall said:
Just to put a fly in the ointment I think the 19j and 200 blocks are one and the same?
19j 21 to 1 comp ratio
200 19 to 1 comp ratio
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I think they are the same, but the 200Tdi block has a massive ladder frame bolted under it, which stiffens it considerably.
 
Turboman said:
V8 is a very good idea! :)

Not sure about the original TDs, though. Mine is fairly clean and straight, all original, except for the locking axles and tyres. I paid £2700 in 2008, and looking at the LRO guides, and actual prices achieved by people I know, I would expect to get £6000 to £7500 now.
I have spent a lot of money on it, but then again, I have also had 32,000 trouble free miles, mostly on farm work and local mileage, so a lot of that was earning as well.
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I agree :) guess I wasn't clear enough in my meaning.

On the whole I think Defenders + Ninety/One Tens will continue to increase in value or hold very good residuals. However I'm not yet convinced that a mint Ninety would actually be worth more with the stock 19j engine in vs having had a Tdi or RV8 conversion. At the moment I think the alternative Land Rover engines would be just as desirable or more so.
 
K14 said:
The point I was making with parts availability may have been misunderstood so I will elaborate. You can still buy new 300 tdi cylinder heads etc,and from some sources complete engines. But some 200 tdi parts, heads etc are long since discontinued.
Anyway I'm now of to mc Donald's to get a root beer
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Yes yes, I was waiting for someone to roll out the cylinder head thing.... that's always the next item people cling to when claiming 200Tdi parts are rare :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Tell me, exactly how often do you actually replace cylinder heads on engines such as these? Is it a service item? Or maybe something that might need replacing once in 250,000 miles of normal use? And even when this does happen unexpectedly, chances are you'll be able to recondition the original head anyhow. So the lack of brand new stock really makes no odds what so ever.


Well look at this, completely surprising.. it's in stock and wow, it's a new recondition cylinder head that could be with you tomorrow. Yep, super super rare parts that are totally impossible to find :rolleyes::rolleyes::p
https://www.turnerengineering.co.uk/rtc-6896-cylinder-head-complete-cou-exchange-c2x20634382
 
lynall said:
Just to put a fly in the ointment I think the 19j and 200 blocks are one and the same?
19j 21 to 1 comp ratio
200 19 to 1 comp ratio

200 simply put great engine, will do intergalactic mileage and still start with a flick of the key in all weathers, even when its half shagged.

Iirc 19j is 0.5 bar boost, def 200 is 0.75 boost and disco 200 is near as dammit 1 bar boost, so if the 19j cant handle 0.5 bar?

300 good engine but some idiot thought a high mounted water pump was a good idea?
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Remember the 19j isn't intercooled. More boost would mean more heat and make the IAT's hotter than wanted for a production engine.

As for the blocks being the same, well the 300Tdi is only an evolutionary step from the 2.25 petrol and diesel lumps found in Series vehicles.... you could argue that they are same engines engines. In the same way a 1984 Ninety was the same vehicle as a 2015 Defender 90.


The 300Tdi is a good engine, but it is my long standing belief that it's sole purpose for existing was to reduce production costs vs the 200Tdi's. The changes between them are mostly minor and nothing is really better on the 300. Even down to the fact that they make exactly the same power, torque and return exactly the same mpg. And while LR liked to claim the 300 was more refined, it really isn't.
 
"However I'm not yet convinced that a mint Ninety would actually be worth more with the stock 19j engine in vs having had a Tdi or RV8 conversion."
I would pay more for a totally original ninety or 110, I like the fact that some have converted to tdi but have kept the original engine for the future.
Plenty converted but very few original.
All original would catch my eye but a 94ish 300tdi would be the one in a 94ish 300tdi defender.
 
Gmacz said:
"However I'm not yet convinced that a mint Ninety would actually be worth more with the stock 19j engine in vs having had a Tdi or RV8 conversion."
I would pay more for a totally original ninety or 110, I like the fact that some have converted to tdi but have kept the original engine for the future.
Plenty converted but very few original.
All original would catch my eye but a 94ish 300tdi would be the one in a 94ish 300tdi defender.
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I suspect you are in a minority and maybe I misread your post. You say you'd want a Tdi, but would pay more for a stock 2.5TD? :)
 
Oldseadog said:
The 19J, if reasonably well maintained, will easily run half a million miles without missing a beat, which is why they were used by a certain London Taxicab Company, who may even be prepared to let you have some spares, or even full engines!!
So please don't knock one of the best 'clogger' engines ever made!!
If you want speed, get a sports car, if you want raw power, get yourself a Fordson Dexter, but if you want reliability use a 19J .. end of!!
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i wouldnt say that the na might well be, the td was fragile, the tdi is a high miler
 
A 90 or 110 I would prefer original, I have an 85 200tdi 90 that is just another converted 90, one of many.
Defender would be the 300tdi r380, I have this in the classic.
 
300bhp/ton said:
I agree :) guess I wasn't clear enough in my meaning.

On the whole I think Defenders + Ninety/One Tens will continue to increase in value or hold very good residuals. However I'm not yet convinced that a mint Ninety would actually be worth more with the stock 19j engine in vs having had a Tdi or RV8 conversion. At the moment I think the alternative Land Rover engines would be just as desirable or more so.
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Who cares about the money, I know I would prefer to drive the V8 Ninety! :D

Always wanted an Auto V8 Ninety, and some were made, but I have never been able to find one anywhere convenient, and fairly unmolested.
 
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