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Modern diesels, whilst very efficient, are fooking expensive when they go wrong and they go really wrong. The slightest bit of **** in the fuel and its new pump/injectors/fuel lines at a rough cost of £2K and that's a common issue, high pressure pumps at £600-1000 a pop, even the servicing is expensive with plenty of fuel filters now costing £50+ a time!!

IF you are doing 40K+ a year then it makes sense, if you are driving to the school each day then it really doesn't, diesels hate small, short journeys!
You not wrong there modern diesles are a propper pain in the arse, we've found that glow plugs are becoming a service item :eek: and theye are a pain to replace on a lot of modern doosles.
 
I took a DPF off a 06 insignia last week and steamed it out.
The amount of **** that came out was loads, there's no way you could burn that off, if you did get it clear it would cloge up again,

Any way this week we are takeing it off choping the **** out of it ,welding it back up and having a ECU remap
 
Yeah steam cleaning or even jetwashing can often help if not fix a problem

dealers of course only understand how to replace not repair hence the horror stories onlinem but there are ways around these repair bills often
 
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DPF and a cat is 2 different things, a diesel cat is still a cat, it works by having a heat retaining surface (usually ceramic) which remains at a higher than exhaust gas temperature...........//

Ceramics don't retain heat (or posh brake discs would be a bit of a con!) and a cat/dpf cannot possibly gain a higher temp than that of the heat source.

Ceramics are used as they corrode less than steel, and can withstand much higher temps.

Tom
 
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modern diesels, whilst very efficient, are fooking expensive when they go wrong and they go really wrong. The slightest bit of **** in the fuel and its new pump/injectors/fuel lines at a rough cost of £2k and that's a common issue, high pressure pumps at £600-1000 a pop, even the servicing is expensive with plenty of fuel filters now costing £50+ a time!!

If you are doing 40k+ a year then it makes sense, if you are driving to the school each day then it really doesn't, diesels hate small, short journeys!

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Ceramics don't retain heat (or posh brake discs would be a bit of a con!) and a cat/dpf cannot possibly gain a higher temp than that of the heat source.

Ceramics are used as they corrode less than steel, and can withstand much higher temps.

Tom

Why do they use ceramics as cook tops surface on high price cookers, and BBQ's
 
Why do they use ceramics as cook tops surface on high price cookers, and BBQ's

"Ceramics are used as they corrode less than steel, and can withstand much higher temps."

As they don't corrode like steel it helps cleaning and improves hygiene.

Tom
 
"Ceramics are used as they corrode less than steel, and can withstand much higher temps."

As they don't corrode like steel it helps cleaning and improves hygiene.

Tom

and takes less input to cook. that is why ceramic :p is in the dust canister they get hotter to burn the soot and don't rust out
 
and takes less input to cook. that is why ceramic :p is in the dust canister they get hotter to burn the soot and don't rust out

We're getting side-tracked.

Copper, and other such metals conduct heat better, but aren't necessarily suitable for either situation.

As I said, I believe the main reason ceramics are used in dpf's is because they can withstand such high temps and resist corrosion.

Tom
 
We're getting side-tracked.

Copper, and other such metals conduct heat better, but aren't necessarily suitable for either situation.

As I said, I believe the main reason ceramics are used in dpf's is because they can withstand such high temps and resist corrosion.

Tom

totally agree
 
You can't just remove the DPF because the engine ecu looks for a pressure drop over the DPF. They are very expensive from a Land Rover dealer last one I fitted to a sport was £2k (customer had the DPF cut open and the internals removed but then couldn't get the MIL light off) also Land Rover say that the target life of a DPF is 100K mls

Glow plugs are very difficult to get out of TDV6 motors, it's 50/50 whether they snap off.

As for reliability lot of problems stem from the very low sulphur levels in modern diesel fuel. Pumps and injectors rely on the fuel for lubrication and reducing the sulphur content reduces the lube properties. I saw a test of fuel additives by a German pump manufacturer and they concluded that they were next to useless apart from two stroke oil which restored the lubrication and also made the engine run cleaner plus 3-5% more efficient.
 
You can't just remove the DPF because the engine ecu looks for a pressure drop over the DPF. They are very expensive from a Land Rover dealer last one I fitted to a sport was £2k (customer had the DPF cut open and the internals removed but then couldn't get the MIL light off) also Land Rover say that the target life of a DPF is 100K mls

Glow plugs are very difficult to get out of TDV6 motors, it's 50/50 whether they snap off.

As for reliability lot of problems stem from the very low sulphur levels in modern diesel fuel. Pumps and injectors rely on the fuel for lubrication and reducing the sulphur content reduces the lube properties. I saw a test of fuel additives by a German pump manufacturer and they concluded that they were next to useless apart from two stroke oil which restored the lubrication and also made the engine run cleaner plus 3-5% more efficient.

im not takin the **** but are you saying adding 2 stroke oil to you fuel is a good idear
 
I know a guy with a 300 tdi who says two stroke oil has cleaned up his emissions, it pulls better and he gets better mpg.
 
How would you know if your car has a DPF fitted. I have read that all 2010 onwards cars have them as standard but mine is a 2008 RRS when they were fitted as an option to UK cars. Any DPF gurus out there?:confused::confused:


i personanlly havent seen them fitted as a option on the early sports they where fitted on the early 2011 sports and discovery 4s onwards they also take low ash oil now cheers mike
 
The guy doing the remap couldnt make it so the car had to be driven.
Every time the ecu dose its regeneration thing and injects fuel into the empty CAT /DPF it smokes like a ####.
Its a bit naughty to drive but he should be comeing today to do his ting
 
Ceramics don't retain heat (or posh brake discs would be a bit of a con!) and a cat/dpf cannot possibly gain a higher temp than that of the heat source.

Ceramics are used as they corrode less than steel, and can withstand much higher temps.

Tom

Ok, let me re-word that, the catalyst works at a higher temp then the rest of the exhaust system, it gets this temperature gain from being close to the combustion chamber coupled with the burning of excess fuel that occurs in the cat. which allows it to burn of excess hydrocarbons, the use of ceramic is because it doesn't conduct the heat (which would make it effectively a heat sink and doing the opposite to what its meant to do) but keeps the heat within the catalyst chamber.
 

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