wattfield
AKA Dirk Diggler
What, all of it?
most of those are tier 3 and moving onto tier 4 diesel which is low,nonpolluting
FlyingPete
Well-Known Member
Well anything sold in the EU since 2005 has to meet the EU4 emissions regulations AKA fitted with a 2-way catalyst and DPF. EU5 came in in 2011 and has even lower limits for NOx and particulates. Newer diesels are very clean-burning. Drive any modern-ish vehicle through central London and what comes out of the exhaust will be cleaner than what goes in the intake.
Problems such as smog are not caused by the emissions of individual vehicles, but the fact that there are too many of those vehicles for Victorian roads to handle.
top drive
Well-Known Member
sticky plaster much.
lets make sure we get all the old cars off the road so we buy cars that need replacing every 5 years to keep up with emissions restrictions and keep the economy afloat.
followed by all the polution still coming anyway as 100 times as much is created in west africa(where alot of our old scrapped cars/trucks and diggers actually end up) and the poorer regions of the middle east and central asia...... get off the plane in azerbaijan/nigeria/Cameroon/uganda/turkmenistan/kuwait and the air is thick with the smell of petrol fumes and smog - its not pleasent.
They will never get air levels down to EU directive levels as its not ALL localised causes.
Not to mention the polution/resources and energy wasted in creating these new cars that are EU compliant.
30 years old , runs on renewable energy (veg oil) and isnt chocked full of precious metals ( platinum , rhodium , palladium ,iridium, osmium, ruthenium , copper , nickle , gold)
lets make sure we get all the old cars off the road so we buy cars that need replacing every 5 years to keep up with emissions restrictions and keep the economy afloat.
followed by all the polution still coming anyway as 100 times as much is created in west africa(where alot of our old scrapped cars/trucks and diggers actually end up) and the poorer regions of the middle east and central asia...... get off the plane in azerbaijan/nigeria/Cameroon/uganda/turkmenistan/kuwait and the air is thick with the smell of petrol fumes and smog - its not pleasent.
They will never get air levels down to EU directive levels as its not ALL localised causes.
Not to mention the polution/resources and energy wasted in creating these new cars that are EU compliant.
30 years old , runs on renewable energy (veg oil) and isnt chocked full of precious metals ( platinum , rhodium , palladium ,iridium, osmium, ruthenium , copper , nickle , gold)
norseman
Well-Known Member
What's always got to me is that the government has levied punitive taxes against the owners of high polluting vehicles (petrol or diesel) since 2006, but has that extra money been used in any way to alleviate the pollution those vehicles have caused 
One south London borough even applied the same principle of taxation to vehicle that were parked
It's not for nothing we are known as 'rip-off Britain'
One south London borough even applied the same principle of taxation to vehicle that were parked
It's not for nothing we are known as 'rip-off Britain'
discomania
Well-Known Member
Diesel pollution will naturally fix itself if they just wait a bit. As old diesels come to the end of there lives, and will be replaced with newer cleaner ones. Those of us left with older diesels wouldn't then contribute anything significant.
The worry is also what happens to classics?
They should look at the stinking black hack engines and buses that must be running on bunker oil, these alone contribute for most of the diesel exhaust in large towns and cities.
Remember the day they had the bus strike in London (and there was then more private transport on the roads) If you look at the NOx figures from that day they were slashed to about 1/4 of what is normal! So what are they going to do, ban us but leave the cabs and buses and then claim a 1/4 reduction?
Cleaning up public transport alone would solve this issue.
The worry is also what happens to classics?
They should look at the stinking black hack engines and buses that must be running on bunker oil, these alone contribute for most of the diesel exhaust in large towns and cities.
Remember the day they had the bus strike in London (and there was then more private transport on the roads) If you look at the NOx figures from that day they were slashed to about 1/4 of what is normal! So what are they going to do, ban us but leave the cabs and buses and then claim a 1/4 reduction?
Cleaning up public transport alone would solve this issue.
MJI
Well-Known Member
I thought that this was a very clever wind-up
I've just checked
you're not joking
the world has gone mad, totally mad
What it does mean is all those 30 - 50 year old British built locos are now worth using again.
Expect to see HSTs hit half century in service. Expect to see life extensions to some of the better 1960s locomotives, and also the preserved locomotives will get more work.
The most capable express passenger Diesel locos in the UK are over 50 years old, but still unsurpassed.
MJI
Well-Known Member
Built late 70s to mid 80s, been reengined twice, expect them to hit 50 years and still be one of the best trains to travel in.
Nothing better to replace them, that is why they are still in use.
honolulujoe
Well-Known Member
isn't it time we told Brussels that we can hear them whistling
There are some nasty chemicals in the batteries of electric cars. I expect when they have taxed diesel cars off the road they will discover a need to tax electric cars because of pollution.
And of course, electricity is not a source of power, just a means of transmitting it. What about the pollution caused by the power stations generating the power for electric cars?
And of course, electricity is not a source of power, just a means of transmitting it. What about the pollution caused by the power stations generating the power for electric cars?
Turboman
Mab An Gov
Didn't know that, but always thought it would be the case.
Batteries are pretty inefficient, and take a lot of resource to make.My own guess is that the best thing you can do with a car environmentally speaking is not to buy a new one.
You don't ever hear anyone say this though, possibly due to the massive lobbying power of the motor manufacturers.
bankz5152
Well-Known Member
Indeed. Can't remember the people that did it, it was a few years back when the Pirus was released.
Its because the components of the battery are mined in one place, refined in another, shipped for assembly somewhere else, then shipped again. By then end of it half the car has travelled the globe.
Then the fact that it still only gets ~40mpg. May as well buy a Golf
Its because the components of the battery are mined in one place, refined in another, shipped for assembly somewhere else, then shipped again. By then end of it half the car has travelled the globe.
Then the fact that it still only gets ~40mpg. May as well buy a Golf
bankz5152
Well-Known Member
This is true, there are many routes in London that just don't need cars, buses or any personal transport.
I always though Oxford Street & Bond Street should be pedestrianised, two tube stations within a 10 min walk of each other and nothing but retail and restaurants. Obviously have it accessible for vehicles so large deliveries can be made late at night etc..
I was reading about some promising technology on having pure electric buses that charge through induction when stopped at a bus stop. Pretty cool idea.
I always though Oxford Street & Bond Street should be pedestrianised, two tube stations within a 10 min walk of each other and nothing but retail and restaurants. Obviously have it accessible for vehicles so large deliveries can be made late at night etc..
I was reading about some promising technology on having pure electric buses that charge through induction when stopped at a bus stop. Pretty cool idea.
Datatek
Well-Known Member
London used to have an extensive Trolley bus network, quiet, fantastic acceleration and pollution free at the point of use. Better than Trams as no rails needed.