dinisrosa
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Hello everyone
In order to trying to keep the thread short and the most accurate as possible, I'll invest in a longer and detailed discription. Sorry in advance if it gets to long
Following the short story I shared with you on the Introductions section (which I invite you to see), here's my problem:
Getting my car's rebuild almost finished - a 1999 D90 td5 10p EU2, original with no performance mods - after more than 2 years without running the engine, finally I took it out of the shop and went for a test drive (God, I was missing it so much!)
To know:
- This car got tottaly striped down. Only the engine, boxes (reconditioned) and fuel tank (and respective fuel pipes) remained in the chassis as they were in perfect working condition;
- Every air hoses, coolant hoses and all filters of all kind are brand new and correct/tightly fitted;
- EGR was blanked (Allisport kit), following the books - manifold and pipe to the valve were blanked and electric switch to the vacuum control valve was disconected;
So, after running the engine (which took a lot of time to turn on - empty filters, empty fuel tank and pipes..), everything looked to work properly. Actually, better than ever in many years as it took also new both genuine engine mounts, and it's time sounds beautifuly on the ears, despite it's 380.000km! I never had a problem with this engine (or it is fully compatible with my driving way or i'm just lucky).
Took it to the outside (inside an industrial park) and drove it for several laps around it.
This car doesn't smoke, but some got out in the beginning, which I consider to be normal, as it stayed sleeping for more than 2 years. Mainly black, but also a bit of white smoke too, which it's NOT normal on my car - maybe engine cleaning up some dirt left by the EGR valve or maybe some consequence of being layed on it's side for a while (see my Introduction)?
Anyway, after 10 min it got clean, with almost no smoke at all coming out when pushing hard.
Despite this, it runned beautifuly. Beautiful and healthy sound, healthy response on the foot and very tight overall, no playing and no rattles of any type. Just like a new car, as it got everything new on it (bushes, bearings, cv joins, swivel pins, retuned diffs, sealings etc etc).
Sudently, when I was turning around, after some 15 min, Ive heard what I can describe as a subtle 1 second electrical squeezing kind of noise (maybe mixed with some air?.. I'm not sure) and I imediately felt the engine lost its power. I can´t say where that sound came from, though..
Turned off and on the engine several times and it runs and sounds normally, but there's just no air pressure and so no turbo, so it doesn't go further than around 50km/h. No lights, no misfiring, no smoke, nothing not normal at my eyes and ears. It seems to be in safe mode, I believe.
After studying some possible causes for this, yes, my turbo wastegate was stucked.Worked on it (it moves freely now) and took the actuator to a turbo specialist, just to check. It's in good working order. Reassembled it and no changes. Still no air pressure. Didn't check the turbo itself, as there were no playing that I've noticed during the rebuild. And I believe I'd have more obvious symptoms, if it was the cause.
I cleaned the MAP and MAF sensors, tried for seeing changes with their switches connected and not connected. Still the same.
Then I realised the pipe that goes from the vacuum valve to the air filter was forgoten disconected. But of course it didn't changed the situation after refiting. I wasn't expecting any change from here anyway..
Read somewhere other possibility, a burned fuel pump relay under the seat (which could explain that sound I've heard) once, apparently, the engine can run in that condition, but limited to a certain fuel pressure. The relay looked in good condition but I swaped it anyway. No changes and the pump behaves as it should, turning off after a few seconds on position II, and it has a healthy sound. Checked the other relay, under the dash, and all fuses.
My car is in a paintshop but I rebuilt it all alone. I like it that way. The shop do some simple mechanical tasks, yes, but they are mainly a pannel beating and paint shop. They do have a computer which was connected to the car. It's not fully compatible with it (can´t delete errors and so) but we had a readind (pic attached) that I hope, with your help, it can lead to the problem. It's in portuguese but I'll try to translate the best as I can as it may have more technical terms (I'll translate only the highlighted codes, as the others are related to other old problems (ABS) that I'll take care next to solving this one).
Here's the errors:
1. 0306 - Air circuit low diagnosis
3. 1202 - Open charge tacodynamo fail registered
6. 1205 - Open charge of verification engine light (MIL) registered
7. 1206 - Open charge of the glow plug light registered
9. 1602 - Open charge tacodynamo fail active
12. 2201 - Turbo discharge fail registered
14. 2607 - 160, CAN error fail active
15. 2803 - Engine speed out of it's limits to auto pilot (when applicable) active
16. 2805 - Engine speed out of it's limits to auto pilot (when applicable) active
(There's also a nº13 code refering to a stuck EGR fail, which I assume to be normal, as I removed it with the Allisport kit)
I only work on the car on fridays, all day, and saturdays in the morning, so maybe you could help me in what to check and try this weekend. I just don't want to start swaping everything like crazy, spending lots of money to solve a possibly simple thing, which I believe it's the case.
The answer is certainly on the origin of that sound I can't identify. A gone sensor would make a sound like that?.. hard to believe to me.
Anyway, many many thanks in advance, guys, and, again, my appologies for the long post!
Dinis
In order to trying to keep the thread short and the most accurate as possible, I'll invest in a longer and detailed discription. Sorry in advance if it gets to long
Following the short story I shared with you on the Introductions section (which I invite you to see), here's my problem:
Getting my car's rebuild almost finished - a 1999 D90 td5 10p EU2, original with no performance mods - after more than 2 years without running the engine, finally I took it out of the shop and went for a test drive (God, I was missing it so much!)
To know:
- This car got tottaly striped down. Only the engine, boxes (reconditioned) and fuel tank (and respective fuel pipes) remained in the chassis as they were in perfect working condition;
- Every air hoses, coolant hoses and all filters of all kind are brand new and correct/tightly fitted;
- EGR was blanked (Allisport kit), following the books - manifold and pipe to the valve were blanked and electric switch to the vacuum control valve was disconected;
So, after running the engine (which took a lot of time to turn on - empty filters, empty fuel tank and pipes..), everything looked to work properly. Actually, better than ever in many years as it took also new both genuine engine mounts, and it's time sounds beautifuly on the ears, despite it's 380.000km! I never had a problem with this engine (or it is fully compatible with my driving way or i'm just lucky).
Took it to the outside (inside an industrial park) and drove it for several laps around it.
This car doesn't smoke, but some got out in the beginning, which I consider to be normal, as it stayed sleeping for more than 2 years. Mainly black, but also a bit of white smoke too, which it's NOT normal on my car - maybe engine cleaning up some dirt left by the EGR valve or maybe some consequence of being layed on it's side for a while (see my Introduction)?
Anyway, after 10 min it got clean, with almost no smoke at all coming out when pushing hard.
Despite this, it runned beautifuly. Beautiful and healthy sound, healthy response on the foot and very tight overall, no playing and no rattles of any type. Just like a new car, as it got everything new on it (bushes, bearings, cv joins, swivel pins, retuned diffs, sealings etc etc).
Sudently, when I was turning around, after some 15 min, Ive heard what I can describe as a subtle 1 second electrical squeezing kind of noise (maybe mixed with some air?.. I'm not sure) and I imediately felt the engine lost its power. I can´t say where that sound came from, though..
Turned off and on the engine several times and it runs and sounds normally, but there's just no air pressure and so no turbo, so it doesn't go further than around 50km/h. No lights, no misfiring, no smoke, nothing not normal at my eyes and ears. It seems to be in safe mode, I believe.
After studying some possible causes for this, yes, my turbo wastegate was stucked.Worked on it (it moves freely now) and took the actuator to a turbo specialist, just to check. It's in good working order. Reassembled it and no changes. Still no air pressure. Didn't check the turbo itself, as there were no playing that I've noticed during the rebuild. And I believe I'd have more obvious symptoms, if it was the cause.
I cleaned the MAP and MAF sensors, tried for seeing changes with their switches connected and not connected. Still the same.
Then I realised the pipe that goes from the vacuum valve to the air filter was forgoten disconected. But of course it didn't changed the situation after refiting. I wasn't expecting any change from here anyway..
Read somewhere other possibility, a burned fuel pump relay under the seat (which could explain that sound I've heard) once, apparently, the engine can run in that condition, but limited to a certain fuel pressure. The relay looked in good condition but I swaped it anyway. No changes and the pump behaves as it should, turning off after a few seconds on position II, and it has a healthy sound. Checked the other relay, under the dash, and all fuses.
My car is in a paintshop but I rebuilt it all alone. I like it that way. The shop do some simple mechanical tasks, yes, but they are mainly a pannel beating and paint shop. They do have a computer which was connected to the car. It's not fully compatible with it (can´t delete errors and so) but we had a readind (pic attached) that I hope, with your help, it can lead to the problem. It's in portuguese but I'll try to translate the best as I can as it may have more technical terms (I'll translate only the highlighted codes, as the others are related to other old problems (ABS) that I'll take care next to solving this one).
Here's the errors:
1. 0306 - Air circuit low diagnosis
3. 1202 - Open charge tacodynamo fail registered
6. 1205 - Open charge of verification engine light (MIL) registered
7. 1206 - Open charge of the glow plug light registered
9. 1602 - Open charge tacodynamo fail active
12. 2201 - Turbo discharge fail registered
14. 2607 - 160, CAN error fail active
15. 2803 - Engine speed out of it's limits to auto pilot (when applicable) active
16. 2805 - Engine speed out of it's limits to auto pilot (when applicable) active
(There's also a nº13 code refering to a stuck EGR fail, which I assume to be normal, as I removed it with the Allisport kit)
I only work on the car on fridays, all day, and saturdays in the morning, so maybe you could help me in what to check and try this weekend. I just don't want to start swaping everything like crazy, spending lots of money to solve a possibly simple thing, which I believe it's the case.
The answer is certainly on the origin of that sound I can't identify. A gone sensor would make a sound like that?.. hard to believe to me.
Anyway, many many thanks in advance, guys, and, again, my appologies for the long post!
Dinis
