gstuart · Mar 7, 2018

bankz5152 said:
Stupidly modified? It looks almost standard! Bigish tyres, a lift, bumper and some lights.

People really are cocks

was also thinking that ref the size of those tyres spinning through the air

have u ever heard that ref wheel spacers , where it can be a contributing factor for wheels to come off, read a few articles but for the life of me can’t find them

alas may have just been a coincidence ref the spacers, plus always thought they put wheel bearings under a bigger load

blue beasty · Mar 7, 2018

bankz5152 said:
Stupidly modified? It looks almost standard! Bigish tyres, a lift, bumper and some lights.

People really are cocks

It's kinda normal for people on t'internet to leap to massively judgemental assumptions.

You probably wouldn't notice if ya mostly hang around here

bankz5152 · Mar 7, 2018

gstuart said:
was also thinking that ref the size of those tyres spinning through the air

have u ever heard that ref wheel spacers , where it can be a contributing factor for wheels to come off, read a few articles but for the life of me can’t find them

alas may have just been a coincidence ref the spacers, plus always thought they put wheel bearings under a bigger load

Often down to the use of non hubcentric ones.

Hubcentric spacers are perfectly fine, torqued mine up to 180nm alloys to 130nm

Turboman · Mar 7, 2018

gstuart said:
was also thinking that ref the size of those tyres spinning through the air

have u ever heard that ref wheel spacers , where it can be a contributing factor for wheels to come off, read a few articles but for the life of me can’t find them

alas may have just been a coincidence ref the spacers, plus always thought they put wheel bearings under a bigger load

Most modifications, including bigger wheels, put undesigned loads on the vehicle.

gstuart · Mar 7, 2018

Turboman said:
Most modifications, including bigger wheels, put undesigned loads on the vehicle.

think like most of us seeing some mods that just make u shake ur head in disbelief

Turboman · Mar 7, 2018

gstuart said:
think like most of us seeing some mods that just make u shake ur head in disbelief

It always surprises me to see people modify in an extreme way that makes their vehicles less safe, and less usable.
In some countries, there are type approval regs that prevent any modifications.
I think that is a bit extreme, but I also think the situation here is a bit too lax.
It seems the government are moving on it, as historic vehicles now have to be more or less standard in order to qualify for free tax and no MOT.

jamesmartin · Mar 7, 2018

gstuart said:
was also thinking that ref the size of those tyres spinning through the air

have u ever heard that ref wheel spacers , where it can be a contributing factor for wheels to come off, read a few articles but for the life of me can’t find them

alas may have just been a coincidence ref the spacers, plus always thought they put wheel bearings under a bigger load

there is an issue with extra weight that can enable lh nuts to loosen as car brakes i looked it up when i lost my wheel and spacer ,

Thor1950 · Mar 7, 2018

Turboman said:
Most modifications, including bigger wheels, put undesigned loads on the vehicle.

Now here is another consideration. How well was that guy insured. If he had good coverage will insurance pay out to the victim and family. I see a major lawsuit coming, and possible criminal charges.

dieseldog69 · Mar 7, 2018

Turboman said:
In some countries, there are type approval regs that prevent any modifications.
It seems the government are moving on it, as historic vehicles now have to be more or less standard in order to qualify for free tax and no MOT.

Belgium and Germany are horrendous, from experience I can tell you that the colour of springs are taken into account as well as counting the rings, tyre sizes are also checked, Light commercial vehicles (lichtervrachtwagen) can have alternative sizes above standard in Belgium but not Germany, but in Belgium they are restricted to +/- 3% for passenger carrying vehicles, everything has to be standard, but Holland is a free for all and much more like the UK in terms of being able to modify your land rover to suit your needs.

flat · Mar 7, 2018

Turboman said:
Most modifications, including bigger wheels, put undesigned loads on the vehicle.

agreed. normal improvements i like, i.e. making your brakes better, or fitting better lights etc but some mods just beggar belief. I have a couple of mates with quite modified cars (not LR) and they have lots of reliability issues aswell.

Also i hate wheel spacers.

jamesmartin said:
there is an issue with extra weight that can enable lh nuts to loosen as car brakes i looked it up when i lost my wheel and spacer ,

also i wonder if its anything to do with that wheel would likely be the one to most often hit/touch/go up a kerb?

dieseldog69 · Mar 7, 2018

Thor1950 said:
Now here is another consideration. How well was that guy insured. If he had good coverage will insurance pay out to the victim and family. I see a major lawsuit coming, and possible criminal charges.

Depends on whether his modifications have been declared? Unless he has informed them of tyre sizes and whether they were on spacers or not is a question that the insurers will be asking.

Turboman · Mar 7, 2018

dieseldog69 said:
Belgium and Germany are horrendous, from experience I can tell you that the colour of springs are taken into account as well as counting the rings, tyre sizes are also checked, Light commercial vehicles (lichtervrachtwagen) can have alternative sizes above standard in Belgium but not Germany, but in Belgium they are restricted to +/- 3% for passenger carrying vehicles, everything has to be standard, but Holland is a free for all and much more like the UK in terms of being able to modify your land rover to suit your needs.

flat said:
agreed. normal improvements i like, i.e. making your brakes better, or fitting better lights etc but some mods just beggar belief. I have a couple of mates with quite modified cars (not LR) and they have lots of reliability issues aswell.

Also i hate wheel spacers.
also i wonder if its anything to do with that wheel would likely be the one to most often hit/touch/go up a kerb?

I understand from German friends that it is only legal to use genuine parts over there.

For me, that is a bit too draconian, but I am amazed by some of the mods that I do see being used on the road.

I don't have a problem with a tyre size or two different, and maybe a few inches of lift on a Landrover, but for me huge wheels and five and six inch lifts are unsafe, and should only be used on comp vehicles which are trailered to and from events.

jamesmartin · Mar 7, 2018

flat said:
agreed. normal improvements i like, i.e. making your brakes better, or fitting better lights etc but some mods just beggar belief. I have a couple of mates with quite modified cars (not LR) and they have lots of reliability issues aswell.

Also i hate wheel spacers.

also i wonder if its anything to do with that wheel would likely be the one to most often hit/touch/go up a kerb?

perhaps but more to do with braking ,if the wheel hub could move within the wheel it would naturally undo the nut,so even when tight there is a turning force on the nut, but thats only a guess im not sure of the full dynamics of it

gstuart · Mar 7, 2018

Thor1950 said:
Now here is another consideration. How well was that guy insured. If he had good coverage will insurance pay out to the victim and family. I see a major lawsuit coming, and possible criminal charges.

indeed and a good point, also seeing the police crash investigators will go over that with a fine tooth comb

if it’s found mods haven’t been declared , the ins will be the same speed as road runner when they make his ins policy null and void

just hope the little lass pulls through and not left with any physical or physiological injuries

gstuart · Mar 7, 2018

Turboman said:
It always surprises me to see people modify in an extreme way that makes their vehicles less safe, and less usable.
In some countries, there are type approval regs that prevent any modifications.
I think that is a bit extreme, but I also think the situation here is a bit too lax.
It seems the government are moving on it, as historic vehicles now have to be more or less standard in order to qualify for free tax and no MOT.

think the first thing that springs to mind is suspension lift, even though the axle will be at the same height, lol

but ur right where some mods can make a vehicle considerably dangerous , ie getting blinded by an assortment of lights that could power a light house

like everything i think it’s always down to basic common sense

dieseldog69 · Mar 7, 2018

Turboman said:
I understand from German friends that it is only legal to use genuine parts over there.

I don't have a problem with a tyre size or two different, and maybe a few inches of lift on a Landrover, but for me huge wheels and five and six inch lifts are unsafe, and should only be used on comp vehicles which are trailered to and from events.

Deutsers like OEM or genuine, the rub for them is that spurious parts are imported through the single market and that really antagonises the TUV man LOL

I have no problem with modified vehicles as long as the drivers attitude to driving it on the road is adjusted accordingly, 35" trepadors on a 5" lifted 90 with a full comp cage is gonna handle worse than a standard 90 on 205x16 radial tyres and so it needs to be driven as though they are transporting gelignite.

dieseldog69 · Mar 7, 2018

gstuart said:
ie getting blinded by an assortment of lights that could power a light house

My light bar turns night into day.

Far safer at night, at least I can see where I'm going.

Turboman · Mar 7, 2018

gstuart said:
like everything i think it’s always down to basic common sense

That is the problem. Seem to be plenty around that don't have it.

Turboman · Mar 7, 2018

dieseldog69 said:
My light bar turns night into day.

Far safer at night, at least I can see where I'm going.

Can the oncoming drivers?

gstuart · Mar 7, 2018

dieseldog69 said:
My light bar turns night into day.

Far safer at night, at least I can see where I'm going.

but ur missing one very important factor , you’ve got common sense

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