Torque settings are calculated for either dry or lubricated threads. And if it says dry, it is usual to tighten them dry, and vice versa.

I’ve not seen it in RAVE, but if we’re taking it to extremes the bolts/studs should be recut before torquing
 
I did google and the first one that came up said you can end up under-torquing them

I am sure that is the case with bolts specced for torquing with lubricant. I usually wipe the studs with an oily rag first, to remove any grit on them, so that will deposit a film of engine oil on them.
 
Here is an article off the net. It says that anti slip can increase the torque required for a given bolt tension by 70%.

Being pedantic, I would say your sentence above reads slightly wrong.

A lubed thread actually applies more tension ( stretch) to the bolt / stud. So if it is lubed less torque should be applied to it to achieve the same stretch. Is what I have always understood.

Cheers
 
How do you end up under-torquing a bolt using a torque wrench?

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Who knows, that’s the joy of the internet! I thought torque was torque. Like people saying using extensions alters it, which it doesn’t
 
There are a lot of people that either don’t know how to use a torque wrench or don’t know how to store them. I don’t know about the copper grease thing I’ve never noticed any differences but I know the world ain’t flat!
 
The main problem with over-tightening a bolt, especially the size of a wheel bolt isn't that it's going to break, well not the first time anyway, but it's the stretching which over time and numerous over-tightenings could cause a failure due to either damage to the threads or metal fatigue within the metallurgical structure of the steel of the bolt.
Unlike many bolts used on a vehicle which once they've been done up they're unlikely to be removed again or if they are, it's maybe just once or twice, wheel nuts and bolts are designed to be fitted and refitted many times during the life of a vehicle.
 
ref the copper grease and must admit i was always told never to put copper slip on the threads, only a smear on the inner rim lip

maybe i’m just reading it wrong , lol
 
The main problem with over-tightening a bolt, especially the size of a wheel bolt isn't that it's going to break, well not the first time anyway, but it's the stretching which over time and numerous over-tightenings could cause a failure due to either damage to the threads or metal fatigue within the metallurgical structure of the steel of the bolt.
Unlike many bolts used on a vehicle which once they've been done up they're unlikely to be removed again or if they are, it's maybe just once or twice, wheel nuts and bolts are designed to be fitted and refitted many times during the life of a vehicle.

All of the bolts on my landrovers have been undone and done up plenty of times! Perhaps the wheel nuts less than all the others!

I’m not saying putting copper grease is right or wrong, it’s just what I’ve always been told and doesn’t mean I’ve been told right
 
ref the copper grease and must admit i was always told never to put copper slip on the threads, only a smear on the inner rim lip

maybe i’m just reading it wrong , lol
well Gary, I have always put a very small dab of copper coat on my wheel nuts for probably 30 years and have just run them up tight with a breaker bar on the right size 6 point socket, as well as a liberal amount where the rim contacts the wheel hub, It is a real b1tch getting a rim off that is rusted on the hub. I have never had a wheel come off in my life time.
 
going off tangent as always , lol

what’s that grease trick, ie for wheel bearing etc , u can put grease in and it pushes the bearings out
 
ref the copper grease and must admit i was always told never to put copper slip on the threads, only a smear on the inner rim lip

maybe i’m just reading it wrong , lol
The only place I use copper grease on my wheels is a smear around the centre boss and another smear between the wheel and the hub. The only reason for doing it is because I've seen tyre fitters using a big hammer to try to break the "corrosion seal" of different metals while trying to separate alloy wheels and cast steel hubs.
 
I use WD40 w
well Gary, I have always put a very small dab of copper coat on my wheel nuts for probably 30 years and have just run them up tight with a breaker bar on the right size 6 point socket, as well as a liberal amount where the rim contacts the wheel hub, It is a real b1tch getting a rim off that is rusted on the hub. I have never had a wheel come off in my life time.
Yeah but you int got a Land Rover innit bruv?
 
well Gary, I have always put a very small dab of copper coat on my wheel nuts for probably 30 years and have just run them up tight with a breaker bar on the right size 6 point socket, as well as a liberal amount where the rim contacts the wheel hub, It is a real b1tch getting a rim off that is rusted on the hub. I have never had a wheel come off in my life time.

why is when i get called by my name i know i’m in trouble, lol

indeed always done it on the inner rims , but alas not on the threads
 
works with bushes and a blind hole and a dift with a good fit in the bush

thks, saw it done years ago and i was just generally looking on u tube as for the life of me i couldn’t remember how it was done, yeh i know i need to get out more, lol
 
The only place I use copper grease on my wheels is a smear around the centre boss and another smear between the wheel and the hub. The only reason for doing it is because I've seen tyre fitters using a big hammer to try to break the "corrosion seal" of different metals while trying to separate alloy wheels and cast steel hubs.

yep , same reason ref trying to get the wheels off and heard that where they can seriously be a sod to get off
 

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