gstuart · Feb 1, 2018

as a side note , didn’t know this is about D2 , i always thought it was Bmw ??

The Td5 engine is often mistakenly attributed to BMW; it was derived from the Rover L-seriespassenger car engine and further developed by Land Rover.

convinced i saw something ref the D3 and Bmw , will keep looking

dieseldog69 · Feb 1, 2018

Probably the M57 inline 6 or maybe the M67 V8 biturbo lump?

gstuart said:
agreed , just trying to find the article ref the proposed Bmw design

gstuart · Feb 1, 2018

dieseldog69 said:
Probably the M57 inline 6 or maybe the M67 V8 biturbo lump?

the M57 would have been a nice option

also just looked at body weights between the D2- D3 , not much in it

kerb weights

D2 / 2,061–2,220 kg (4,543–4,895 lb)

D3 / 2,419–2,461 kg (5,333–5,426 lb)

also found this interesting , ref design factor of the body

Land Rover developed a body construction method for the Discovery 3, marketed as Integrated Body Frame (IBF). The engine bay and passenger compartment are built as a monocoque, then mated to a basic ladder-frame chassis for the gearbox and suspension. Land Rover claims IBF combines the virtues of monocoque and ladder-frame – though it makes for a heavier vehicle than a monocoque construction, compromising performance and agility somewhat but adding strength, toughness and adaptability.

Muppetdaze · Feb 1, 2018

One problem with putting a tdi engine in a 2008 car, the new MOT rules for Diesels may object to it

gstuart · Feb 1, 2018

Muppetdaze said:
One problem with putting a tdi engine in a 2008 car, the new MOT rules for Diesels may object to it

think most of us would take the mot exam just to see the TDi being fitted and running , lol

brian47 · Feb 1, 2018

gstuart said:
as a side note , didn’t know this is about D2 , i always thought it was Bmw ??

The Td5 engine is often mistakenly attributed to BMW; it was derived from the Rover L-seriespassenger car engine and further developed by Land Rover.

convinced i saw something ref the D3 and Bmw , will keep looking

That's right, many people wrongly think that the Td5 engine is a BMW design but it's actually a Rover design. When it was in the design stages it was code-named "Project Storm".
http://defendertd5.weebly.com/td5-a-short-history.html

gstuart · Feb 1, 2018

brian47 said:
That's right, many people wrongly think that the Td5 engine is a BMW design but it's actually a Rover design. When it was in the design stages it was code-named "Project Storm".
http://defendertd5.weebly.com/td5-a-short-history.html

thks for the link, will have a look

alas , got to admit i always thought they were of a BMW design

learn something everyday , lol

sierrafery · Feb 1, 2018

The P38 2.5 DSE and the Freelander Td4 are BMW if you are interested

Disco1BFG · Feb 1, 2018

owas said:
Doesnt the d3 weigh about 3 tonnes? I wouldnt want a 300tdi in that lol.

300Tdi can be tuned to about 200HP..... BUT the EGT's are horrific at this power output, and it will not live for long - even the slightest issue with cooling will anneal the head... and you can guess where that takes us

The expense of doing this is also significant - larger FIP, larger water rad, FWIC, move the alternator, so no A/C etc...., etc...,

I know of someone who has done this - it didn't end well. ( it ended up in a scrapyard! )

If you limit the output to 145, and are careful, then it will live quite happily.... at 164 EGT's rise RAPIDLY, and possibly beyond my ability to control

.

I'd suggest a D3 with 145 HP would drive like a slug - Probably better to use something like the Merc OM606 with mechanical FIP and a blower - but this won't solve the problems of integration into the bullsh*t electronics - nor the impending change to MOT emissions enforcement.

dieseldog69 · Feb 1, 2018

Muppetdaze said:
One problem with putting a tdi engine in a 2008 car, the new MOT rules for Diesels may object to it

I never had a problem with Q plates but could the new rules see the turning point where more folk are willing to undergo IVAs to tinker with their cars?

Henry_b · Feb 1, 2018

The TDv8 would of gone well with the D3 IMO

wonder why it wasn't used?

gstuart · Feb 1, 2018

Henry_b said:
The TDv8 would of gone well with the D3 IMO

wonder why it wasn't used?

Believe these were the only engines they used in the D3s

4.0 L Ford Cologne V6 (petrol)
4.4 L AJ41 V8 (petrol)
2.7 L AJD V6-T (diesel)

Henry_b · Feb 1, 2018

gstuart said:
Believe these were the only engines they used in the D3s

4.0 L Ford Cologne V6 (petrol)
4.4 L AJ41 V8 (petrol)
2.7 L AJD V6-T (diesel)

Yep those are them
Maybe the 'bay couldn't accommodate the v8 diesel?

Still lovely cars though

sierrafery · Feb 1, 2018

Maybe just for Europe cos according to topix for 2005 there are 6 versions:
2.7 diesel
2.8L OHV EFI TI 4 Cyl 100KW
3.6L Diesel
4.0L V6 Petrol
4.2L SC Petrol
4.4L V8 Petrol
between 2006 -2008 were only 3, the 2.7D , 4.0 V6 and 4.4V8 and in 2009 in addition 5.0 NA V8 petrol.... i think this one has some balls

Henry_b · Feb 1, 2018

sierrafery said:
2.8L OHV EFI TI 4 Cyl 100KW

Why a caveman of an engine for such a modern car?

OHV?!

sierrafery · Feb 1, 2018

Henry_b said:
Why a caveman of an engine for such a modern car?

OHV?!

LOL! ... yes, only LR knows, maybe that's why they discontinued it..... though i'd like to drive a 2009 5.0V8 though ... not on my expense off course

Henry_b · Feb 1, 2018

sierrafery said:
LOL! ... yes, only LR knows, maybe that's why they discontinued it..... though i'd like to drive a 2009 5.0V8 though ... not on my expense off course

Ah the v8 itch!

Get one with LPG at 50p a litre yer sailing!!

dieseldog69 · Feb 1, 2018

Henry_b said:
The TDv8 would of gone well with the D3 IMO

wonder why it wasn't used?

The D3 debuted in 2004, Ford took ownership of JLR in 2000, that gave them plenty of time to bring in a PSA group engine to oust whatever BMW were planning. Besides, at that point the L322 Range Rover was still running a 3.0ltr straight 6, TDV8 might have shown that up a tad LOL

fireblade7 · Feb 1, 2018

well it was just a thought guys its gave you plenty to talk about so looks like ill have 1 to break for bits and might sell the other
that would need an engine
ill see what i end up doing
cheeers for all the inputs lads
mike

Muppetdaze · Feb 1, 2018

wonder if a td5 engine might fit

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