MJI · Mar 6, 2018

My office has moved and the new commute best routes are filled with primary schools. Best non primary school route is very twisty B road.

I am considering another set of wheels and having road only good wet dry ones with feel.

Currently have BFG ATs and the feel of them is somewhat lacking only able to go along the same road as Friday about 10mph faster. (Was on snow then).

So what would you buy for hard A B road usage only?

Either this or buy a bike

dieseldog69 · Mar 6, 2018

Bun fight........

Love a "what tyres" bun fight thread, just off to get me some popcorn.

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Amazing tyres.

Turboman · Mar 6, 2018

MJI said:
My office has moved and the new commute best routes are filled with primary schools. Best non primary school route is very twisty B road.

I am considering another set of wheels and having road only good wet dry ones with feel.

Currently have BFG ATs and the feel of them is somewhat lacking only able to go along the same road as Friday about 10mph faster. (Was on snow then).

So what would you buy for hard A B road usage only?

Either this or buy a bike

Round, black, and with a hole in the middle would be my suggestion.

Unless you are Katie Price, in which case go with the pink whitewalls.

discool · Mar 6, 2018

So what's lacking with the BGF ATs tyres? slip and slide or loose grip when braking hard in the rain so the ABS activates.
I have non of the above with the 235.70.16 Goodyear Wrangler HP Allweather tyres that I have fitted, neither did I have any issues with the Goodyear GT + 4 previously, and fitted by Factory, unfortunately those tyres are now obsolete.

MJI · Mar 6, 2018

discool said:
So what's lacking with the BGF ATs tyres? slip and slide or loose grip when braking hard in the rain so the ABS activates.
I have non of the above with the 235.70.16 Goodyear Wrangler HP Allweather tyres that I have fitted, neither did I have any issues with the Goodyear GT + 4 previously, and fitted by Factory, unfortunately those tyres are now obsolete.

I had Avons on before, no longer made, just like Goodyear Wranglers, they were grippier than the BFGs

MJI · Mar 6, 2018

discool said:
So what's lacking with the BGF ATs tyres? slip and slide or loose grip when braking hard in the rain so the ABS activates.
I have non of the above with the 235.70.16 Goodyear Wrangler HP Allweather tyres that I have fitted, neither did I have any issues with the Goodyear GT + 4 previously, and fitted by Factory, unfortunately those tyres are now obsolete.

Less dry grip than the previous Avons (no longer made), feel is not great, you have no idea how much grip is left. I do not have that much confidence, yes the BFG are great in snow and lanes, but fast road use, no.

MJI · Mar 6, 2018

Turboman said:
Round, black, and with a hole in the middle would be my suggestion.

Unless you are Katie Price, in which case go with the pink whitewalls.

What about grip and feel?

Feathers McGraw · Mar 7, 2018

I've got Pirelli Scorpion STRs on mine and very happy with them. But with tyres what one person likes there will always be someone else who will slate them.
I've only had good experience with Pirellis on cars, my other is wearing P-Zeros.

Turboman · Mar 7, 2018

MJI said:
What about grip and feel?

She maybe has too much silicone to feel great, to be fair. Plenty to grip, though.

On a more serious note, I have always liked Vredestein on my road cars. They are mainly known as an agricultural tyre, but make road tyres too, and they aren't as expensive as some.

Spong · Mar 7, 2018

I have Goodyear Efficient Grip on mine, fine for the road (and OK on the snow, but did get stuck at one point!) but to be honest I don't really hoon around in it, too heavy and too tall to try and find the limits of adhesion, I don't have ACE on this one, like you do.
Next time round I may look for something a tad less road biased - which should ensure it never snows again down here.

iansoady · Mar 7, 2018

I have Toyo Open Country W/Ts (winter tyres) on mine and find them excellent year round. I know I should be getting increased wear in the "summer" but the fronts have now done over 25,000 miles and still have loads left in them.

I like the better grip in the wet from the heavily siped tread pattern.

They're very quiet and I've been pleased with them and will fit them again. ISTR they were around £100 each from Oponeo or similar.

MJI · Mar 7, 2018

Looks like I would have to try a few different ones to find the right non snow commuting tyres.

The Avons I could take to limit of grip, was actually fun on the A46 Bath to Gloucester last year. But this did scuff one badly due to hard cornering.

Was comparing notes at work, a Civic and a Corsa owners said the road was very bumpy, I said it was not bad, but really weird camber in a few places, and collapsed edges, which make the D2 lurch quite a bit. Looks like I have smoother suspension than a Type R.

But these BFGs are great for snow, but good conditions they just are not drivers tyres.

Improved cornering would save me fuel and time.

And to the doubters a Disco 2 with SLS and ACE does actually handle quite well.

Turboman · Mar 7, 2018

Spong said:
I have Goodyear Efficient Grip on mine, fine for the road (and OK on the snow, but did get stuck at one point!) but to be honest I don't really hoon around in it, too heavy and too tall to try and find the limits of adhesion, I don't have ACE on this one, like you do.
Next time round I may look for something a tad less road biased - which should ensure it never snows again down here.

Road tyres, or ATs, are actually better in snow than knobbly off road tyres.
When it snowed in Cornwall, I used to take the mud tyres off my Ninety, and put the set of wheels with ATs on.

Spong · Mar 7, 2018

Turboman said:
Road tyres, or ATs, are actually better in snow than knobbly off road tyres.

Oh really? That sounds counter-intuitive to me, but I've never tried it. The tyres I have are essentially five strips around the circumference, with not much going on across it:-

I was thinking something more like this:-

Although those might be a bit over the top for my use.

MJI · Mar 7, 2018

Turboman said:
Road tyres, or ATs, are actually better in snow than knobbly off road tyres.
When it snowed in Cornwall, I used to take the mud tyres off my Ninety, and put the set of wheels with ATs on.

The BFGs are ATs and worked well.

I am now wondering if they are winter tyres.

brian47 · Mar 7, 2018

MJI said:
I am now wondering if they are winter tyres.

These days the M+S marking on a tyre is little more than a marketing ploy. A true cold weather tyre or winter tyre will have the "3 peaks and a snowflake" logo on them:-

henrytilly · Mar 7, 2018

pirelli scorpions

Turboman · Mar 7, 2018

Spong said:
Oh really? That sounds counter-intuitive to me, but I've never tried it. The tyres I have are essentially five strips around the circumference, with not much going on across it:-
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I was thinking something more like this:-

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Although those might be a bit over the top for my use.

I have tried it, many times, and it is exactly as I say.
A 2wd tractor, with massive treads on the back wheels, is not very good in snow either. A tractor with lawn tyres on is better.
Snow compacts into the small treads giving you lots of grip. With the knobbly tyres, the snow packs into the vacant spaces in the tread blocks, and the wheels start spinning,

Turboman · Mar 7, 2018

MJI said:
The BFGs are ATs and worked well.

I am now wondering if they are winter tyres.

I dont think there is a lot of difference as regards tread pattern. The difference is in the compound, the winter tyres stay soft at lower temperatures.

brian47 · Mar 7, 2018

Turboman said:
I dont think there is a lot of difference as regards tread pattern. The difference is in the compound, the winter tyres stay soft at lower temperatures.

There is difference in the tread, a winter tyre has many more "Sipes" or small cut like patterns which can grab at the snow and thereby provide more grip, in addition to the low temperature compound which as you say stays softer at low temperatures. They start operating as designed at temperatures below plus 7 degrees Celsius. At temperatures significantly above plus 7 degrees, winter tyres can wear somewhat quicker than normal tyres.
This article from "Which" gives some details about the tyre construction:-
https://www.which.co.uk/reviews/new...yres-and-snow-socks/should-i-buy-winter-tyres

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