Many thanks for your useful post. I was sort of coming around to thinking that the O6 are probably the best. I would not remove anything in it as many one here think until perhaps it failed and then think about my options. I would even leave the EGR valves until they failed and then blank off.
Many thanks for your useful post. I was sort of coming around to thinking that the O6 are probably the best. I would not remove anything in it as many one here think until perhaps it failed and then think about my options. I would even leave the EGR valves until they failed and then blank off.
So blinding drivers coming in the opposite direction isn't dangerous? That's exactly the type of driver who should have their licence taken away.
No. If the vehicle is clearly unsafe to other road users, it should be removed from the road, and the driver fined or banned.
Not at all, but 35 years of time served automotive engineering experience says it's potential unsafe. An unsafe vehicle is an unsafe vehicle, regardless of what the owner /operator or some video on the internet said.
I did on post 16.
It is very sad that after 35 Years you don't seem to understand. If it were unsafe I agree it should not be on the road. As I said it would not be unsafe and you well know it..... Carry on ticking your little boxes and proudly signing your name............ and perhaps try to accept that not everyone has to agree with you.
I personally would stick with what you have, as you know its history/maintenance, The grand scheme of the tax cost is minor to ending up with somebody elses non maintained vehicle/problems.
As for removing **** dont, its there for a reason
. Sometimes reasons we don't fully understand. But then clever ****s get a work around and tout it as great, don't make it safe as per the original vehicle or other road users.
Part of the reason for liking some LR product is the EAS, it is very clever. Apparently cleverer than some MOT testers.
Why people insist on cutting corners on maintenance when they own a luxury car is beyond me.
You come down the road with dipped headlights still in my face and I might show you the full force of mine.
Your welcome and have a good evening.
J
As for removing **** dont, its there for a reason
. Sometimes reasons we don't fully understand. But then clever ****s get a work around and tout it as great, don't make it safe as per the original vehicle or other road users.Part of the reason for liking some LR product is the EAS, it is very clever
. Apparently cleverer than some MOT testers.Why people insist on cutting corners on maintenance when they own a luxury car is beyond me.
You come down the road with dipped headlights still in my face and I might show you the full force of mine
.Your welcome and have a good evening
.J
I personally would stick with what you have, as you know its history/maintenance, The grand scheme of the tax cost is minor to ending up with somebody elses non maintained vehicle/problems.
As for removing **** dont, its there for a reason
Part of the reason for liking some LR product is the EAS, it is very clever
Why people insist on cutting corners on maintenance when they own a luxury car is beyond me.
You come down the road with dipped headlights still in my face and I might show you the full force of mine
Your welcome and have a good evening
J
To be honest the only part I don't like are the EGR valves and it is well known that these cause more issues and as for what they are supposed to do I am afraid I simply don't believe it. The cost to the Environment of them is I feel far more than what they supposedly prevent. No vehicle manufacturer would ever fit them if they were not forced to by the sandal wearing got it wrong brigade
Nodge68
Well-Known Member
The difference is the D3 EAS system is integrated into and controlled by multiple electronic systems, so removing the EAS will upset the vehicle's complex dynamic safety systems, which the D2 simply doesn't have.
The D3 uses an integrated control network, which governs what goes on and when, like if the vehicle starts to loose traction on a corner, then the Dynamic Stability Control (DSC) works in conjunction with the EAS to maintain vehicle in a safe and controlled condition throughout. Also the suspension is cross-linked, so when the vehicle is driven at speed around a bend, the suspension on the outside is raised slightly, to reduce lean and maintain control. For this reason, the D3 can get away with anti-roll bars much thinner than would otherwise be the case, for a vehicle of its weight and height. This gives a benefit of supple suspension off road, maintaining grip, but keeping it firm enough for fast driving on the road.
The EAS maintains the vehicle at the correct height front and back, so keeping the headlamps in constant correct aim, so there's no need for driver control.
If EAS is removed, then the headlamps can't be kept in constant aim, so when the rear is loaded, the headlamps blind oncoming road users, which is an offence and an MOT fail.
Absolutely. Service it annually and it's pretty trouble free.
That's pretty accurate too.
Nodge68
Well-Known Member
I understand fully. You think you know better than the vehicle manufacturer, which I'm pretty sure you don't.
You do what you like though.
If it was safe, LR would provide an official spring conversion kit, which they don't.
I wonder why.
I'm retired.
But I will say, having owned many LRs over the last 20 years, including the D3, in my experience, its best left alone, and simply maintained when needed.
Remember it was a £45k vehicle when it was new, and will continue to have maintenance and repair requirements of a £45k vehicle.
Have you had any problems with yours? Our 2011 (L322) has no issues.
If and when, to us its a maintenance cost simple. What about DPF?
If you are worried about what the sandal wearing brigade are "forcing" you to drive then maybe you should think about a classic car
.J
Have you had any problems with yours? Our 2011 (L322) has no issues.
If and when, to us its a maintenance cost simple. What about DPF?
If you are worried about what the sandal wearing brigade are "forcing" you to drive then maybe you should think about a classic car
J
Before long the D2 will be a clasic car
What I find so sad is that the stuff they keep forcing on cars costs money, effort and materials to maintain and I am sure that the net effect to the planet is worse for it. You wait in a few years there will be a huge cry that they dont know what to do with all the batteries in these useless electric cars.Have you had any problems with yours? Our 2011 (L322) has no issues.
If and when, to us its a maintenance cost simple. What about DPF?
If you are worried about what the sandal wearing brigade are "forcing" you to drive then maybe you should think about a classic car
J
Yes I have had 4 EGR valve replacements and when they go you get the orange light of Doom and she goes into limp mode that is not good when towing a boat or caravan.
My D3 is a lovely car in many ways but If I am going on a long journey towing I prefer to take the D2 far less stress in your head constantly waiting for a light to go on on the D3. I am seriously thinking of getting a second D2 as a backup or which is the reason I started this thread a D3 2006 Model and blank off the EGR Valves. You can pick them up for about £4000 which sadly says somthing about them.
It is high time Land Rover got their act together and stopped producing lovely tow cars that have several significant flaws
The traffic police in the UK used to always have Land Rovers but it seems that several forces don't have then anymore.
2penny coin is the get you home egr bodge as it is a perfect fit in the egr pipe flange.
I blanked my egrs for one reaosn and that so it did not leave me stranded.
I understand fully. You think you know better than the vehicle manufacturer, which I'm pretty sure you don't.
You do what you like though.
If it was safe, LR would provide an official spring conversion kit, which they don't.
I wonder why.
I'm retired.
But I will say, having owned many LRs over the last 20 years, including the D3, in my experience, its best left alone, and simply maintained when needed.
Remember it was a £45k vehicle when it was new, and will continue to have maintenance and repair requirements of a £45k vehicle.
I reckon running costs increase as expensive cars age, though of course people do find more work arounds and fixes as the cars drop in value.
The difference is the D3 EAS system is integrated into and controlled by multiple electronic systems, so removing the EAS will upset the vehicle's complex dynamic safety systems, which the D2 simply doesn't have.
The D3 uses an integrated control network, which governs what goes on and when, like if the vehicle starts to loose traction on a corner, then the Dynamic Stability Control (DSC) works in conjunction with the EAS to maintain vehicle in a safe and controlled condition throughout. Also the suspension is cross-linked, so when the vehicle is driven at speed around a bend, the suspension on the outside is raised slightly, to reduce lean and maintain control. For this reason, the D3 can get away with anti-roll bars much thinner than would otherwise be the case, for a vehicle of its weight and height. This gives a benefit of supple suspension off road, maintaining grip, but keeping it firm enough for fast driving on the road.
The EAS maintains the vehicle at the correct height front and back, so keeping the headlamps in constant correct aim, so there's no need for driver control.
If EAS is removed, then the headlamps can't be kept in constant aim, so when the rear is loaded, the headlamps blind oncoming road users, which is an offence and an MOT fail.
Absolutely. Service it annually and it's pretty trouble free.
That's pretty accurate too.
Yes that sounds right ref the EAS.
Dont forget many older cars have no headlamp levelling control at all.
I wonder if there are any documenetd cases of mot failure for coild conversions?
I understand fully. You think you know better than the vehicle manufacturer, which I'm pretty sure you don't.
You do what you like though.
If it was safe, LR would provide an official spring conversion kit, which they don't.
I wonder why.
I'm retired.
But I will say, having owned many LRs over the last 20 years, including the D3, in my experience, its best left alone, and simply maintained when needed.
Remember it was a £45k vehicle when it was new, and will continue to have maintenance and repair requirements of a £45k vehicle.
Iirc high spec D2 with rear air susp had yaw sensors in the roof and the cabin floor.
Nodge68
Well-Known Member
Driver headlamp control became mandatory in the mid 90s, after which all cars had either manual headlamp height control, or self-levelling if HID lights were fitted.
I don't actually know of any D3 owners who would clip its wing's, so to speak.
It's a wonderful vehicle just the way it is, so I can't see why anyone would remove the best asset of the vehicle.
It could theoretically be possible to fit the headlamps and control switch from the 5 seater sprung D3, if one can be found. Then in theory the CJB and software from the coil sprung model could be installed in there too, however this could well upset the TR system, as coil sprung D3s didn't have TR.
Anything is potentially possible, but I personally can't see why anyone would go though all the hassle, when the EAS isn't actually that troublesome to start with.
biketeacherdave
Well-Known Member
Simple, my best mate is an mot inspector and landrover expert. He said he would refuse to test a d3 converted to springs for all the forementioned reasons.
Yes it can be done.
Yes it can be done.
TheMunster
Active Member
IMO best D3 would be a late V8, unfortunately those with them don't want to sell them.
Great thread this is, some cracking discussion
Get a D3 one that's been looked after and it will make you smile
Get a D3 one that's been looked after and it will make you smile
