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Tannaton

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Evening all...

I'm back after a two year abstinence from Land Rover. Back with two of them actually, a 2004 Freelander Commercial TD4 and a 1997 Discovery 300Tdi. That's what happens if you ignore all the warnings and go drinking and bidding on e-bay.....

Anyhow the Freelander TD4 is a facelift model and comes with the six spoke 17" alloy wheels. I want to buy a set of five spoke 16" wheels from a 02 car so I can fit a set of BFG Mud Terrain's that I've got.

I've read on the internet that the wheels from early cars with none vented discs will not fit the later cars, but conflicting reports as to whether that occured for MY2001 or when the car was facelifted in MY2004.

Any pointers - greatly appreciated.

Thanks
 
Pre vented disc Freelander wheels won't fit vented discs without spacers. Vented discs appeared in the 2000 update starting with chassis No 1A----------
What size are the BFGs? And why not buy something to fit the 17s? BFGs are old fashioned, don't grip compared to modern rubber and a horribly noisy on the FL1. A definite backwards step imo.
 
Nodge68 said:
Pre vented disc Freelander wheels won't fit vented discs without spacers. Vented discs appeared in the 2000 update starting with chassis No 1A----------
What size are the BFGs? And why not buy something to fit the 17s? BFGs are old fashioned, don't grip compared to modern rubber and a horribly noisy on the FL1. A definite backwards step imo.
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Thanks for the reply. I was going to fit the BFG's as they're sat in my garage and are in "as new" condition. The car will mostly be used for moving stuff around my small holding, and going there and back so road manners aren't as big an issue as if it was my daily driver.

If I was buying new - what would you recommend for muddy fields etc.?
 
I'd use them if you have them. 2002 wheels will be fine. I've had them on my disco for 7 years and 35k
 
Agree with DD, 02 cars have vented disks so the wheels should fit. If they don't a set of 5mm shims will allow you to use wheels from older cars.

Don't ask me how I had to find out. :oops:
 
Anyone got the offset data for the standard wheels? I was looking last night for this information - and most sites on the interweb lump pre and post 2001 FL1s together and provide an often confusing and most likely inaccurate range of offsets - anywhere between ET35 to ET40...

It might just be easier to pop my wheels off and measure it directly...
 
rob_bell said:
Anyone got the offset data for the standard wheels? I was looking last night for this information - and most sites on the interweb lump pre and post 2001 FL1s together and provide an often confusing and most likely inaccurate range of offsets - anywhere between ET35 to ET40...

It might just be easier to pop my wheels off and measure it directly...
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My 2001 onwards wheels are ET46.
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That's very useful, thanks! :D So what was the offset of pre-2001 Freelander wheels?

Also interesting to see that Tuff Torque modular wheels are available with the correct PCD for the FL1 with ET30, ET35 and ET45 - the latter being closest to standard for the MY2001 FL1 and later.

Fitting ET35 will increase the wheel track by 20mm if my understanding is correct. ET30s by 30mm.
 
ET46 will track wider than ET35 ;)
The later rims went to ET46 to give more backspace. Increasing backspace increases the ET value.
 
I am not sure that's correct Nodge.

A positive ET gives you the displacement of the mating face of the wheel from the centre line of the wheel. The later wheels will have a higher offset because I suspect that their hubs are further out to accommodate the upgraded discs and drums, but keeping the same over all track of the original design.

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An ET46 will mean that the hub face is 46mm outboard of the wheel centre line.

An ET35 will mean the hub face is 35mm from the wheel centre line.

Assuming the same 7J width of the wheel, the ET35 will have moved the outer rim 11mm further outward relative to the wheel centre line than the ET46 - increasing total track by 22mm.

This is likely why when folks fit Tuff Torque wheels (typically ET35 I gather), the wheel and tyres appear to be further outboard (or more "cheeky" - a term those familiar with the exploits of the Bad Obsession Motorsports boys with Project Binky on YouTube ;))

Hope that makes sense
 
rob_bell said:
I am not sure that's correct Nodge.

A positive ET gives you the displacement of the mating face of the wheel from the centre line of the wheel. The later wheels will have a higher offset because I suspect that their hubs are further out to accommodate the upgraded discs and drums, but keeping the same over all track of the original design.

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An ET46 will mean that the hub face is 46mm outboard of the wheel centre line.

An ET35 will mean the hub face is 35mm from the wheel centre line.

Assuming the same 7J width of the wheel, the ET35 will have moved the outer rim 11mm further outward relative to the wheel centre line than the ET46 - increasing total track by 22mm.

This is likely why when folks fit Tuff Torque wheels (typically ET35 I gather), the wheel and tyres appear to be further outboard (or more "cheeky" - a term those familiar with the exploits of the Bad Obsession Motorsports boys with Project Binky on YouTube ;))

Hope that makes sense
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I use this calculator. It shows the distances between the two rims I tried. http://www.willtheyfit.com/index.ph...el_size=17&wheel_width=7&offset2=E46#isPage=1
 
I suspect that the answer to that is the shape of the inner face of the alloy wheel spokes Nodge - they probably curve in more than the later wheels and interfere with the calipers. A similar analogy to the problem encountered on MGFs when fitting AP front brakes and the need to use MGF Trophy or TF160 alloys - or else space the other 16" designs out by around 5-10mm...
 
Nodge68 said:
What size are the BFGs?
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They are 225 65 R16 - originally purchased for my Disco. I know they will be slightly bigger than the stock 215 65 R16 - would they be okay?

I have secured some reasonable 16" 5-spoke alloys (set of 5) from ebay for £27.
 
Tannaton said:
They are 225 65 R16 - originally purchased for my Disco. I know they will be slightly bigger than the stock 215 65 R16 - would they be okay?

I have secured some reasonable 16" 5-spoke alloys (set of 5) from ebay for £27.
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They'll fit just fine. Make sure the wheels are from a post 2000 Freelander;)
 
rob_bell said:
... or you will need to space them out as Ali has done. 5mm I think did the trick (if I remember correctly)?
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Yip 5mm work fine on 16" wheels and only a few quid off fleabay. Not ideal but no great safety worries at that depth, not sure I'd be happy using deeper than 5mm without going to properly made spacers from a reputable supplier.
 
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