aaronmorris said:

Well I forgot the other day, but a belated happy new year to everyone who reads this thread
Thanks for all the help, support, kind words and the general chitchat through both good and bad times.
Here's to hoping 2015 will be a bit better year and it'll actually hit the road at some point

The good news on a personal level is I have a little bit of work locally working for a friends dad.
Only labouring, and I'm slightly apprehensive about it as I don't know what I'm doing really, which is not a position I like to be in.
But hopefully I get to learn some new stuff in the process.
It's not going to be full time to the end, but it should last a while. I guess the main factor in that is, is how **** or good I am
Was the first day today, and went pretty good in fairness, no stress or being surrounded by nobbers! Happy days

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Sounds good

Good luck with the new job Aaron, you never know where it will lead.

aaronmorris said:

Well I forgot the other day, but a belated happy new year to everyone who reads this thread
Thanks for all the help, support, kind words and the general chitchat through both good and bad times.
Here's to hoping 2015 will be a bit better year and it'll actually hit the road at some point

The good news on a personal level is I have a little bit of work locally working for a friends dad.
Only labouring, and I'm slightly apprehensive about it as I don't know what I'm doing really, which is not a position I like to be in.
But hopefully I get to learn some new stuff in the process.
It's not going to be full time to the end, but it should last a while. I guess the main factor in that is, is how **** or good I am
Was the first day today, and went pretty good in fairness, no stress or being surrounded by nobbers! Happy days

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An opportunity is an opportunity. Grab it with both hands, and good luck. Who knows where it will lead?

Congratulations matey, things are looking up.

at least when the other bloke rings you up expecting you to be waiting for his call you can tell him your busy. It might give him a kick up the arse is he thinks you've moved on.

Rasher said:

at least when the other bloke rings you up expecting you to be waiting for his call you can tell him your busy. It might give him a kick up the arse is he thinks you've moved on.

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Agreed, good news. Don't let the other guy guilt you into going back!

Hows the job going aaron? not been doing owt to mine today, well picked up 2 sh seat box lids, but been fixin our gerties spinning wheel, brownie points earned.
bit landrovered out after the springs and shocks debarcle.
might have a go at fitting new front exhaust tomorrow if it dunt rain, just hope bolts come out and dont shear.

Silverlandy said:

Sounds good

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'tis better than I had

markSX said:

Good luck with the new job Aaron, you never know where it will lead.

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Thanks Probably nowhere, but I'll take it while I can.
And from speaking to him over the last 2 days he's got loads of work on this year.

Discokids said:

An opportunity is an opportunity. Grab it with both hands, and good luck. Who knows where it will lead?

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Yep, definitely agree Always put my all into stuff, so we'll so how it goes.

Landyfox said:

Congratulations matey, things are looking up.

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Cheers mate It's a decent start which I hope will continue.

Rasher said:

at least when the other bloke rings you up expecting you to be waiting for his call you can tell him your busy. It might give him a kick up the arse is he thinks you've moved on.

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Well that's the thing, this isn't a "proper" job, if you know what I mean.
So by rights I'm still employed by said nobber.
And I dread his phone calls, just seeing his name pop up annoys me.
Maybe I should just leave?
Thing is he's just playing games, I mean how long does he expect me to wait.
And he wont lay me off because then he'll have to pay redundancy.
He made out he was sad the other lad left, personally I think he was overjoyed and it saved him some money.
Well the truth is he doesn't give a **** about me or anyone else that used to work for him.

Bit like the holiday days I was owed and didn't get paid for.
Usually any holiday days left at the end of the year are paid.
This year? F*ck all!
Don't get me wrong we have only worked half the year, but by rights we've been employed all year.
So I probably used 3 holidays last year, and at one point he wouldn't even let us take any days off
But hay, what's the point in arguing. He'll only say 'you didn't use them so you lost them'
Not how it usually works for us, but he makes it up as he goes along, well as long as it suits him!
Sorry for the rant, but the more things I think about the more annoyed I get.

XRIZLAX said:

Hows the job going aaron? not been doing owt to mine today, well picked up 2 sh seat box lids, but been fixin our gerties spinning wheel, brownie points earned.
bit landrovered out after the springs and shocks debarcle.
might have a go at fitting new front exhaust tomorrow if it dunt rain, just hope bolts come out and dont shear.

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Going good, first time in a long time I've been happy at work.
Bloke is laidback, no stress, undue shouting, generally getting angry or road rage, so pretty happy at the moment

Ah, rain, 'tis ok you'll be underneath anyway
Hopefully they come undone, or you could try getting it nice and hot first.

I'd get some advise about your current employer. He can't just keep you hanging like that. Is he paying you anything when your not working? It sounds like you would be better off going self employed ( I am) that way you can pick and choose what you do and your in charge. Is he paying your tax and national insurance? come to think of it is he giving you any tax back? if you only worked half the year you probably didn't earn much more than the taxable amount.

#### him off... he's a bellend.....


On another note what primer do you use on your trucks?

Rasher said:

I'd get some advise about your current employer. He can't just keep you hanging like that. Is he paying you anything when your not working? It sounds like you would be better off going self employed ( I am) that way you can pick and choose what you do and your in charge. Is he paying your tax and national insurance? come to think of it is he giving you any tax back? if you only worked half the year you probably didn't earn much more than the taxable amount.

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Yes, I get 1 days pay a week when not working. (8 hours)
Pay slip says 'Laid off pay' and I personally pay no tax or national insurance on that.
I have had no tax back either as I haven't paid any.
This tax year I have earned under £6k so far. (Only a quick count up as I haven't had a pay slip for 2 months)
I guess he's doing nothing wrong in the eyes of the law, it's just a ****'e situation, and as long as I'm accepting it, it'll stay like it.
Whether he is paying tax and national insurance contributions I don't know, but suppose he couldn't get away with it.

I can see how the 8 hours pay a week is nice to have but i'd see how this other work goes and tell this boss bloke you need to be free to do other work and see what he comes up with.

let the knob pay u 8 hour a week, then when he rings saying he has a day for u say ok but then in the morning ring up and say you sick...


Keep getting your 8 hours free as well as the cash in the hand mate as long as you can!!

Look after number 1....

IamRobbie said:

#### him off... he's a bellend.....


On another note what primer do you use on your trucks?

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You got that right.
I use etch primer on the bare metal bits, then 2k high build all over.
If you're not sure give us a shout and I'll tell you what I bought.

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I can see how the 8 hours pay a week is nice to have but i'd see how this other work goes and tell this boss bloke you need to be free to do other work and see what he comes up with.

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Lets be fair 8 hours a week is neither use nor ornament and hence why I've sold most stuff I had in the shed and/or owned.
He only pays it so I don't look for other work, or go and sign on.
If I tell him I want to be free to do other work, he's going to say,
'then you'll have to leave'
I know the bloke and his stupid tricks, and as much as he says he wants me to stay It'd save him money and don't think he'd be bothered.

IamRobbie said:

let the knob pay u 8 hour a week, then when he rings saying he has a day for u say ok but then in the morning ring up and say you sick...

Keep getting your 8 hours free as well as the cash in the hand mate as long as you can!!

Look after number 1....

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He's done it before, texts at 10:30 at night, saying, 'pick you up at 5:30 in the morning'
Now I think that's taking the ****, if he want's me to be 'on call' so to speak then pay me properly.
Luckily I've never had any plans made.

If I don't plan on working for him again I think taking the 8 hours a week is a c*nts trick on my behalf, but then he's played c*nts tricks for the last 9 months, so why the hell not.
But yeah, kinda my thoughts to just take it too.

mess him about some. let him down in as morning lol

we all got laid off december 2013 at my works as we had a new galv bath fitted and it took 4 weeks to change.
the union got involve and everybody got one week of work, just turn up and basicly paint stuff, tidy up etc and got 2 weeks lay off money.
if memory serves me, employment law says they have to pay you lay off money, but its only about 50% and not sure if its only 1 or 2 weeks, but then you can ask your employer for redundancy.
have a look at employment law, you might find you are entitled to a few quid.

yea gonna get it warm first, gonna nip into town and get some wd40 and give it some welly. also got a lhs seat box repair panel to fit so ill let the wd do its stuff while i do the seatbox.

Have a quick look what your rights are, but don't chase him for a couple of hundred quid. Just f### him off, and close the door to that bit of your life. The sooner you're free to work where you like the better.

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mess him about some. let him down in as morning lol

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I wouldn't do that, I'd either tell him to f*ck off, or just go.

XRIZLAX said:

we all got laid off december 2013 at my works as we had a new galv bath fitted and it took 4 weeks to change.
the union got involve and everybody got one week of work, just turn up and basicly paint stuff, tidy up etc and got 2 weeks lay off money.
if memory serves me, employment law says they have to pay you lay off money, but its only about 50% and not sure if its only 1 or 2 weeks, but then you can ask your employer for redundancy.
have a look at employment law, you might find you are entitled to a few quid.

yea gonna get it warm first, gonna nip into town and get some wd40 and give it some welly. also got a lhs seat box repair panel to fit so ill let the wd do its stuff while i do the seatbox.

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From what I'm told, he has to lay me off. After 13 weeks he has to have work and last at least 13 weeks.
If not redundancy is to be offered.
Not looked into it, so how true it is I don't know.
Which if true, I should have been offered it already.

Discokids said:

Have a quick look what your rights are, but don't chase him for a couple of hundred quid. Just f### him off, and close the door to that bit of your life. The sooner you're free to work where you like the better.

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Think I kind of agree, probably not even worth the effort.

heres a bit about your rights,

Being temporarily laid-off work

Temporary lay-offs happen when your employer does not have enough work, so they ask some of the workforce to stay at home. You could still have employment rights during a lay-off, including the right to be paid.

What is a lay-off?
If your employer has reduction in demand for your type of work, they might need to make cut-backs. Your employer is normally entitled to tell you not to come into work, but in many cases they will still have to pay you full pay.

If you are not an employee, for example, if you are a temp, you do not have a right to paid work and so you cannot be laid-off.

Understanding your work status
Lay-off and short-time
If your employer doesn't have enough work for you, they may tell you to stay at home. If you are off work for at least one complete working day, this is a lay-off.

Where your employer asks you to work some of the week but you are laid off for a day or more in the week, then you are on 'short-time' working. This means your hours of work are cut.

Time limits for lay-offs
There is no upper limit for how long you can be laid-off or put on short-time. You may be able to claim redundancy pay if you are laid-off without pay or put on short-time for either:

four consecutive weeks
six weeks within a 13 week period
Temporary lay-off: applying for redundancy
Pay during lay-offs
If you are laid-off you should get your full pay unless it is part of your contract that your employer can lay you off without pay or on reduced pay.

If it is not part of your employment contract, you can agree to change your contract if you wish. For example, a lay-off might be better than being made redundant.

If you agree to change your contract to allow unpaid lay-offs, you should write down the agreement. You should make clear how long the agreement is going to last and whether you can change your mind.

Changes to employment conditions
What to do if you are laid-off
If you are laid-off unpaid you should check whether this is allowed under your employment terms. If you wish to agree to change your employment contract so that unpaid lay-offs are allowed, you can do so. Another option could be to agree to take some annual leave instead of being laid-off.

If unpaid lay-offs are allowed under your employment contract, you should make sure your employer knows they should still give you statutory guarantee pay.

Guarantee pay
If unpaid lay-offs aren't allowed under your employment contract, you should get full pay during a lay-off. However, you can agree to accept less.

If your employer is being unreasonable in laying you off (for example, unfairly singling you out) you might consider yourself as being constructively dismissed and claiming unfair dismissal.

Constructive dismissal
Your employer should not dismiss you for asking for your rights when you are laid-off. If they do, you might be able to make a claim to an Industrial Tribunal.

Industrial Tribunals and the Fair Employment Tribunal NI (contacts section)
Once you have been laid-off for either over four weeks or six weeks in a 13 week block, you could consider leaving and claiming redundancy pay.

Temporary lay-off: applying for redundancy
Where to get help?
The Labour Relations Agency (LRA) offers free, confidential and impartial advice on all employment rights issues for residents of Northern Ireland. You can contact the LRA on 028 9032 1442 from 9.00 am to 5.00 pm Monday to Friday.

Labour Relations Agency (contacts section)

and a bit more

Temporary lay-off: applying for redundancy

Temporary lay-offs or short-time work are not meant to last forever. If you have been laid-off and it lasts long enough, you may be able to make a claim for redundancy pay from your employer.

Claiming redundancy when laid-off work
You may be able to make a claim for redundancy if you have either been:

laid-off work week without pay
put on short-time work earning less than half of your weekly wage
The lay-off must have lasted four or more weeks in a row, or for a total of six or more weeks within a 13 week period. The timetable to be followed is strict and it is a good idea to seek advice if you are unsure what to do next.

Being temporarily laid-off work
The process for making the claim
If you want to make a claim for redundancy after being laid-off you should follow the correct process.

Your written notice
The first step in the process for claiming redundancy is for you to give your employer written notice that you intend to claim redundancy. You must give it to them within four weeks of the end of either:

a consecutive lay-off or short-time working period of at least four weeks
six weeks lay-off or short-time within a 13 week period, where no more than three of the weeks have been consecutive
Your employer's response
Your employer then has seven days in which to either accept your claim or give you a written ‘counter-notice’. If your employer doesn't give you counter notice they are assumed to have accepted your claim.

The counter notice is to tell you that your employer does not accept your redundancy payment claim because work will be available in the near future. The ‘near future’ must be within four weeks and the work must last at least 13 weeks without interruption.

If your employer gives you counter notice you won’t get redundancy pay unless an Industrial Tribunal decides in your favour. Your employer can decide to withdraw their counter notice by telling you in writing.

Employment-related tribunals: an introduction
Resignation
In order to be able to get redundancy pay you must resign by giving either one week's notice or the notice period required by your employment contract if this is longer. The timing of your notice is crucial to get right and redundancy pay claims can fail if you do not give in your notice correctly.

If seven days have passed since you gave your written notice to your employer and your employer has not given counter notice, you should hand in your notice within three weeks after the seven days has ended.

If your employer has given counter notice but then withdrawn it, you must give your notice within three weeks of the withdrawal.

If your employer has given a counter notice and does not withdraw it you could take your claim to an Industrial Tribunal. After you receive notification of the Industrial Tribunal's decision you have three weeks to resign. This means that you don't have to give up your job until you know the Industrial Tribunal's decision.

If your employer appeals the Industrial Tribunal's decision you still only have the three weeks to resign. So, if your employer wins their appeal you could be jobless and without redundancy compensation.