Mornin' Doc - how is Mini Me?

Main thing is a Richards chassis will have better torsional rigidity than a standard item - in addition to the thicker steel the quality of the welding is also much better.

griffman

Morning Griff :)

True, most probably a revised design (you'll have looked into it far more than I have) so happy to agree on that.

All I know is that come time to replace mine I'll be building an HD chassis of my own using a jig and the original chassis specs in my book :D thinking 4mm with bracing every couple of feet.
May also link up the outriggers front to rear using box to act as rocksliders and add more rigidity, essentially I spend too much time on CAD and in the workshop ****ing about with the welder ;)
 
Hi fellas

As promised some pics of my 383 stroker build

first one is the block after machining 0.030 over - shows nice 4-bolt mains

second - pistons after matching up

third - crank and block skirt trimming for clearance

fourth - block all ready for Edelbrock top end with Performer (torque) camshaft installed - note double sprocket timing gear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

fifth - edelbrock valves in aluminium E-tec heads - you can see I had these running for a short time when it was a 5.7 - these heads exposed the rattly bottom end - hence the rebuild.

sixth - heads go on - note monster triple timing chain to cope with torque!

seventh - valve train - note there is no rocker arm - so valve timing has to be done by 'lashing' like the old days Also note roller rockers - these give 10% efficiency gain over stamped rockers or static rocker arms.

eighth - dual-plane Edelbrock inlet manifold ready to accept carb

hope you like 'em

Griffman
 

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re flex...problem is its a ladder chassis..2mm or 6mm..still flexy flexy with proper amount of power..but as stated by you,roll cage helps and you are only running 90..nice and short which helps..

why you go for yanky engine?? i prefer jap ,more power for less cc.more economy etc...i know each to their own, andanyway i admire anyone who appears to be as silly as me when it comes to stupidy quick land rovers!!

so power to you..!

p.s. buget for lsd's..so nice..
 
Mr Zen

always liked V8's I'm afraid - my dad was a Jag man (i.e. straight sisxes} but this man up the road from us, Sargeant Bernie of Merseyside Police traffic division, always had V8 cars - Daimler 250 V8, then a Rover P5B 3.5, then a P6 3500S, and they always made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up when the rumbled past.

Since I grew up (some might say that is open to debate) the love of V8's continued and so here I find myself........................my wife is equally obsessed - I met her at a TVR club meeting. I have had umpteen TVR;s, a Camaro, TVR-engined capri, etc and my 90 had a TVR lump in it before.

I have had japanese cars - 200sx(three of), A scooby P1, Evo7, and a Skyline R33 GTR but these were all daily drivers when I was doing 40000 business miles a year and I liked them all.........................................but I always had a V8 TVR in the garage as well.

Hope that answers your point - as far as LSD's......................I am considering.
 
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kool..i likwe the jap v8's..thats my prefered engine of choice,wether nissan or toyota..quad cam forged everything as standard...just bolt a supercharger on (and megasquirt) and away you go....

oh your dad had it right..i love the burble of the v8,but i think a 6 (or 12) on full song might sound better..but poddling around v8..

you not too far away..like to see car when done...
 
get your point about Jap V8's - my father-in-law has a 2009 Lexus LS460 V8 and it is an incredibly smooth and free-revving unit - before that he had a Toyota lancruiser 4.7 V8 which was ditto.

I am a bit old-skool though and I have always loved the GM engines(Chevy, Buick,Pontiac) and of course the Rover V8 started life as a 215 cubic inch Buick small block.....................................................
 
For the V8 man it is hard to beat the rawness of the American blocks, huge and awfully inefficient, it is the poor design that makes them so gruff.

The Japanese is a monstrously better engine, but it is so good it doesn't have the sound of the American build.

For me, and most others it has to be said, the pleasure is improving the American and making it more efficient, but one still is able to retain the early music.

Plus, the simplicity of the pushrod engine appeals to many.

Anyway, as long as we're all having fun that's all that matters :)
 
Yep

Wheelie bar and parachute methinks.

It is a standard serpentine front end which Overfinch adapted to fit the chevy - shows that they must have just bought long engines from GM Power.

When it was in the Disco it also had the air-con compressor but when I rebuilt the top end I ditched this as I knew it was going into the 90.

As far as the CV joints and half shafts - Dave said if the car is a hotrod for the road then leave well alone - rather the CV joints go than the gearbox!

If I ever decide to do some offroading I can look at that that then.

The workshop belongs to my buddy who is doing the engineering work - a serious engineering man called Derek - has been working Land Rovers since he left the Army in 1975.

What did he do in the Army? REME mechanic working on Landrovers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Ohhh but if you went manual r380 box ashcroft sell a rather nice straight cut gear set from quaife!

Be interesting to see how ashcrofts uprated torque converter and clutch packs cope with it.

Too nice too offroad, just use it to annoy fast road cars!
 
Ohhh but if you went manual r380 box ashcroft sell a rather nice straight cut gear set from quaife!

Be interesting to see how ashcrofts uprated torque converter and clutch packs cope with it.

Too nice too offroad, just use it to annoy fast road cars!

Mr Dirty

I looked at all options - this engine would munch an R380 - the Ashcroft uprated LT85 is agricultural but much stronger and with an AP Racing clutch would have been ok - this is what my mate has bought to mate up to my old TVR engine which he now has in his 90 - it is much fun!!!!!1

However the whole point for me was to build a civilised hot rod/ cruiser
that would look cool, sound fantastic and be very fast.

I had a long chat with Dave Ashcroft about my options and we came up with the solution I now have.

It is a ZF HP22 with uprated heavy duty Internals, uprated sprag clutches and govenor/pump (Stage 1) and the front end from a HP24 which is much stronger than the 22 front end - this is a stage 2.

We then went for the biggest torque convertor available - Ashcrofrt supply an adaptor for the big rover (5.0 plus engines), but not for the Chevy.

I had the old Overfinch adaptor from the original auto setup which was basically just a slightly thicker flexplate with a boss assembly - this was the standard overfinch application and can only be used with the medium torque convertor - most of the torque was wasted and lock-up was painfully slow in coming.

The guy who built my engine is a Santa Pod Mechanical legend and he came up with a design that is very similar to the system he builds for Chevy dragsters (but not as hardcore) in that is it uses a lightweight ring bolted to the torque convertor, and then a semi-flexible plate bolts to this and then this in turn bolts to the boss which is in turn bolted to the flywheel.

The principle is that no one area is taking all the torque at once and everything gives a little, so spreading the load across the friction system.

He has had no failures with this system.

In practice it works very well - there is a little reluctance to change up from very cold but after the first up-change it is superb - the changes are virtually imperceptible and lock-up is virtually instantaneous.

Dave Ashcroft told me the damage to gearboxes really occcurs on full-throttle kickdown but I have so much torque I have set the kickdown to the minimum sensitivity - I don't really need it and changing down to third manually to overtake is no chore in any case.

As I said earlier in the thread the whole thing runs like a dream and this engine/gearbox did 2000 miles in the disco before the defender rebuild started.

The only subsequent addition is a new late-type(post 97) 1.2 transfer box from Ashcroft as they have taper bearings and the input bearing is cross-drilled to prevent wear - they supply the correct gearbox output shaft with the transfer box.

This later item doesn't whine after 10000 miles like the earlier ones.

Thanks for your interest.
 
Another thing that makes me grin is the fact that they really dont need to discuss upgrading torque converters and destroying gearboxes in the diesel sections :D
 
Another thing that makes me grin is the fact that they really dont need to discuss upgrading torque converters and destroying gearboxes in the diesel sections :D

That is not something I had considered before, Mr Noisy, but on reflection it is very amusing..........................................
 
Oh to have deep pockets!! The amount that could be achieved!!! :eek:

Mr Noisy,

by the time the car is finished it will have cost me about 20k, including the Discovery donor, the chassis, engine work, transmission, parts, expenses and labour.

The only real expense I still have is for a custom exhaust - I have budgeted 800 pounds within the above amount

I am very fortunate in that my landy engineer is not vat registered so that saves me 20% on labour straight away.

I know that is a lot to spend on the restoration of a 1985 landrover but at the end of the day it is a 'once in a lifetime' car and when you look at what some of these so-called 'tuning' companies are charging for defenders (50-grand plus!) then it doesn't seem so mad after all.

Furthermore I know I will have what is a virtually new car - and I will have confidence in the engineering because I have had a hand in it and I have seen it built stage by stage.

20k would of course buy me a nice car already built but it wouldn't be the same.

I just want you to know I haven't posted the thread to gloat or make anyone envious, but because I hope as fellow V8 Landie men you would appreciate the thought and hard work that has gone into the project.

Yes, it has cost a few bob, but at the end of the day I think the finished vehicle may well be more than the sum of its parts.

have a nice weekend everyone.
 
Excellent thread Griffman, but I think you may have slightly miss-understood Mr.Noisey...

I love reading about what other people have done to their Landy's with what seems like plenty of money, time, patience and skill.
I am always kind of jealous, but in a good way, if that makes sence?

I look at my mud-spattered (from work, not play) knackered 300tdi Disco and often think; If I had £500 I could do this, that, or whatever. But I know it won't happen... It took 3 months to save up for my M/T tyres that I needed for this winter.

Anyway, I'm off on a bit of a tangent here. Ithink many will display some sort of envy, but only because they wish they had the resources that you have available, to do what you are to their Landy's.

Does that make sence?
 
Excellent thread Griffman, but I think you may have slightly miss-understood Mr.Noisey...

I love reading about what other people have done to their Landy's with what seems like plenty of money, time, patience and skill.
I am always kind of jealous, but in a good way, if that makes sence?

I look at my mud-spattered (from work, not play) knackered 300tdi Disco and often think; If I had £500 I could do this, that, or whatever. But I know it won't happen... It took 3 months to save up for my M/T tyres that I needed for this winter.

Anyway, I'm off on a bit of a tangent here. Ithink many will display some sort of envy, but only because they wish they had the resources that you have available, to do what you are to their Landy's.

Does that make sence?

Perfectly

thanks mate
 
For the V8 man it is hard to beat the rawness of the American blocks, huge and awfully inefficient, it is the poor design that makes them so gruff.

The Japanese is a monstrously better engine, but it is so good it doesn't have the sound of the American build.

For me, and most others it has to be said, the pleasure is improving the American and making it more efficient, but one still is able to retain the early music.

Plus, the simplicity of the pushrod engine appeals to many.

Anyway, as long as we're all having fun that's all that matters :)

I agree with you there mate - the Edelbrock and eagle stuff is so much better than the original Chevy unit - one thing chevy did get right though - the block!
 

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