MikeDISCO · Dec 1, 2009

Sorted problem the fuel sender.

1996 P reg with 150,000 on the clock.

I am now stil having the same problem which seems to be getting worse.

the car cuts out and then one minute starts 1st time then the next take 30 turns to start.

I am now thinking along the lines of the dreaded SPIDER.

I have check the operation of the stop solenoid which seems fine.

The querie i have before I start ripping the dash out is....

on the connection for the stop solenoid there are 3 small wires, yet only one is connected to the top of the solenoid?... is this normal?

Please advise guys.... please lol.....

colinl · Dec 1, 2009

have you disconnected the wire off the solonoid and then just run a live wire to the solonoid? if your disco runs fine like this then you will have an immobiliser problem.this is a quick test that doesnt involve stripping anything.

andyt109 · Dec 1, 2009

colinl said:
have you disconnected the wire off the solonoid and then just run a live wire to the solonoid? if your disco runs fine like this then you will have an immobiliser problem.this is a quick test that doesnt involve stripping anything.

this test best idea...not sure if theres alot to go wrong with the stop solenoid, only time i had 1 go wrong and the car wouldnt turn off by the key...

robint · Dec 1, 2009

get to the local main stealers they do a spyder bypass plug if this is the problem will cost ya a small fortune of around £7.00

LundRover · Dec 1, 2009

People,
What the F**k is the dreaded SPIDER?

pete5570 · Dec 1, 2009

It sounds as if the spider is playing up. Easy fix, you can get a landrover part to replace the spider. There's a thread on here somewhere about it. The part costs about 7 quid from the dealers (it's a very common problem.

lerk · Dec 1, 2009

LundRover said:
People,
What the F**k is the dreaded SPIDER?

Surely you must know that? It's the little eight legged thing that lives in your landy, you know - you never see him but he always leaves you a nice new web in the morning... Sometimes if you drive with your window open he can get sucked out of the car and then your beloved disco will never work the same again, until you buy the bypass lead from LR

MikeDISCO · Dec 1, 2009

I have just read a really good thread on how to get to and repair the spider, i dont think it would take me much over an hour to take out the radio, heater controls etc so if i can plan it right i wil be having a bash tomorrow during lunch :O)
my best mate is our top electronics engineer and he will have no worries in re-soldering all the connections. fingers crossed

vivnap · Dec 1, 2009

i have heard its a hard job to do but having just cured this problem it is very easy and took me about a hour and a half start to finnish

the spider unit once opened up has two quite large solderd joints compaird to the rest, you cant miss them.
the last pic is the joint that caused me the cutting out problems i was having,

just resolder the two joints and rebuild the center of the dash

real easy job to do

vivnap · Dec 1, 2009

the two joints that are the cause of the problem.

discool · Dec 1, 2009

There's another thread on immobilisation above http://www.landyzone.co.uk/lz/f8/central-locking-electronics-pls-help-90737.html

robint · Dec 1, 2009

this one any good

The Definitive Alarm Spider Post - LR4x4 - The Land Rover Forum

MikeDISCO · Dec 1, 2009

thats a great response and great photos vivnap! really appreciated that mate, i will 100% havin a go tomorrw. 15 minute break at 10 o,clock, 35 mins at lunch and 15 minute break at 3 o clock, pinch half hour at the end of the day and should be ready to rock n roll.... thanks allot again

MikeDISCO · Dec 1, 2009

robint said:
this one any good

The Definitive Alarm Spider Post - LR4x4 - The Land Rover Forum

thats the one i read after a quick search on here and google. good photos on there aswell.
thanks

discool · Dec 1, 2009

MikeDISCO said:
thats a great response and great photos vivnap! really appreciated that mate, i will 100% havin a go tomorrw. 15 minute break at 10 o,clock, 35 mins at lunch and 15 minute break at 3 o clock, pinch half hour at the end of the day and should be ready to rock n roll.... thanks allot again

Are U sure:clock:

MikeDISCO · Dec 1, 2009

im the gaffer in our maintenance shop so shouldnt be too worried for time

MikeDISCO · Dec 2, 2009

took me all of 40 minutes to strip the dash, I though great wont take too long....

pulled the centre console out..... no blinkin spider box!!!

Where do I go from here? I had this morning when I opened the car using central locking the red LED my the speedo was flashing for a few seconds.... any other suggestions please???

MikeDISCO · Dec 2, 2009

I have removed the spring and plunger from the stop solenoid and the problem is still exactly the same....

Any ideas please guys?....

MikeDISCO · Dec 2, 2009

Had another thought, I turned the pump up around 6 months ago, now i have replaced sender unit,
lift pump

It my be over fuelling??

When it starts up it runs on idle all day long as soon as u rev it over 2500 the revs drop and it cuts out.
white ( fuel ) smoke comes out the exhaust when I rev it....

colinl · Dec 2, 2009

unburnt diesel! if you turned the pump up that long ago i dont think that this is your problem but fuel pump timing may have jumped a tooth and its not that hard to check.

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