300bhp/ton
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A good stock Tdi in a 90 should go quite well standard. Of course they are no sports car. But more than capable of keeping up with modern traffic and far more speedy than most earlier Land Rover offerings.
Superaquarama
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Doesn't make 'em any better, though. Last year I got rid of a 3 year old diesel electronic nightmare as soon as it was out of warranty, and went back to a 14 year old petrol car which is infinitely more reliable.
For the same reason, I run a 300TDi County - don't want anything later, thank you !
As to the O/P, to me there seemed very little difference in performance between the 200 and 300 (in fact if anything the 200 had the edge), both should do 75 or 80 easily. And if the gearing's been lowered you should at least be quick off the mark, so suggests there's summat wrong somewhere. Heck, even a Series One will do 55 easily !
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300bhp/ton
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So your 14 year old petrol car doesn't have an ECU then?
And for the record, maybe you could work out how many years ago the Td5 was introduced?
Superaquarama
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Yes, it has an ecu that presumably just controls essential stuff like they used to.
Nowadays everything's routed through the ecu - screen washer failed ? That'll be £500 for a new ecu please. Battery down by 0.0001 volts ? Let's just shut everything down so you can't sit and listen to the cricket whilst waiting for the wife, or open the tailgate on the switch. Driving along happily, are we ? Let's have all the windows down simultaneously then, just for fun. Ha, you thought you'd locked the car securely, did you ? Think again, when you return the ecu will have opened the tailgate for your convenience and that of any passing thief. 60 mph on a country road at night ? Excellent time to switch off all the lights for a second or two. And so it goes on.....
Yeah, brilliant, these electronics.
Nowadays everything's routed through the ecu - screen washer failed ? That'll be £500 for a new ecu please. Battery down by 0.0001 volts ? Let's just shut everything down so you can't sit and listen to the cricket whilst waiting for the wife, or open the tailgate on the switch. Driving along happily, are we ? Let's have all the windows down simultaneously then, just for fun. Ha, you thought you'd locked the car securely, did you ? Think again, when you return the ecu will have opened the tailgate for your convenience and that of any passing thief. 60 mph on a country road at night ? Excellent time to switch off all the lights for a second or two. And so it goes on.....
Yeah, brilliant, these electronics.
300bhp/ton
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erm did you miss the thread title, it says 200tdi or td5.
A td5 will uses an ECU very similar to the one on your 14 year car now doubt. So you make no f'ing sense with your arguments.
TD5 launched in 1998. Which means in 2015 the ECU tech on a Td5 is 17 years old.
A td5 will uses an ECU very similar to the one on your 14 year car now doubt. So you make no f'ing sense with your arguments.
TD5 launched in 1998. Which means in 2015 the ECU tech on a Td5 is 17 years old.
Superaquarama
Member
Er, well, Mr Obnoxio, you were the one who said in this thread that we were Victorians because we don't like unreliable electronics - my initial post was about TDis.
300bhp/ton
Well-Known Member
I think you are the one be obnoxious, as you moan about something that isn't a Land Rover and recommend something that is of equal spec/tech level to the Td5.
From the interweb:
The powerplant for the Defender and the new Discovery Series II as the 'Td5' in 1998. Offering more power and greater refinement than the 300Tdi the Td5 greatly improved the appeal of the Discovery but caused concern amongst many operators of the Defender due to its electronic engine management systems which were considered to be less reliable and more difficult to repair 'in the field' than the mechanical injection systems used on previous Land Rover diesel engines. In deference to these concerns (including those voiced by the British Army) Land Rover kept the 300Tdi in production for fitment to special-order vehicles (see above).
It transpired that the Td5's electronics were highly reliable. Early engines suffered two isolated mechanical failuressudden and complete failure of the oil pump drive and 'cylinder head shuffle' caused by weak retaining studs. Both these faults were fixed within 2 years of the engine starting production and the Td5 is now considered highly reliable.
It transpired that the Td5's electronics were highly reliable. Early engines suffered two isolated mechanical failuressudden and complete failure of the oil pump drive and 'cylinder head shuffle' caused by weak retaining studs. Both these faults were fixed within 2 years of the engine starting production and the Td5 is now considered highly reliable.
I think every point you make there is either absurd, wrong or both. But nice effort..
Pleas elaborate.
300bhp/ton
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An EGT gauge is incredibly useful, especially on a tweaked Tdi. It makes for a very good tuning tool if you are tweaking the injector pump yourself and a very good indicator when to back off, as you seriously won't believe how quickly EGT's can rise on a tweaked Tdi.
Therefore it is no more overkill than any other sensible instrumentation on any other modified vehicle.
Yes HG failures and even cracked blocks are not so uncommon.
The Tdi's are indeed nice old lumps (I own two of them). But they are very old school in design and tolerances. This doesn't make them less tough, but there is nothing particularly remarkable about their durability either.
A 2.25 diesel lump uses essentially the same block, but with much less stress. So logic would suggest it would be more durable. Albeit far less potent.
There are 1000's. Modifying any vehicle in the UK has always been a niche. Yes the Tdi's are easy to tune. And people into the "scene" are more likely to have done this. But the reality is, most will not be tuned.
They where one of the most powerful diesel engines LR had produced at launch with a significant power and torque increase over the engine it replaced. So calling it "lacking in power" is complete and utter fool hardy.
The Tdi's also faired well against the competition in terms of power output. Even those that used much bigger displacement engines.
A good Tdi is certainly more than fast enough for normal road use, even in standard trim. And much faster than many vehicles on the roads. I know you what you are trying to say. But when talking Land Rover's and off roaders in general, such a comment is pretty daft. As the Tdi Defenders where at the time of lunch the quickest production Land Rover (excluding RR's) that you could have bought since 1948. A factory 3.5 V8 might have been a bit quicker, but taller gearing and the LT85 levels the playing field pretty well.Pedestrian is a good word to describe the acceleration
Well if thats the best you can do I stand by my original quote!
Hg failure wow thats serious, never heard of or seen a cracked 200tdi block.
Most powerful engine when first produced, you do realise thats 26 years ago now?
That was also true when they first produced the 2 litre diesel, which was even longer ago.
Ps I also own two for what its worth.
Hg failure wow thats serious, never heard of or seen a cracked 200tdi block.
Most powerful engine when first produced, you do realise thats 26 years ago now?
That was also true when they first produced the 2 litre diesel, which was even longer ago.
Ps I also own two for what its worth.
