Hi just an update on my 3rd Tank of fuel with 300ml of 2 stroke added. All I can say is wow this is great....my engine is getting better and better...it definately has more torque especially at very low revs around 1200rpm. Cold starts are so much smooother and it is still noticeable once warm. My brother has reported the same ... his mondeo has gone from 42 mpg to 46mpg. .... my TD4 has not appeared to have given more mpg .... however, I do seem to be driving much quicker as the engine is so much smoother.... How is everybody else doing...please post
noel colledge
New Member
Just wondering if you guys are using synthetic or non synthetic two stroke ( Or if it really matters)
Heard the more modern engines need synthetic to get the best from them, but not tried either yet.
Any thoughts?
Heard the more modern engines need synthetic to get the best from them, but not tried either yet.
Any thoughts?
jamesmartin
Well-Known Member
to be honest even old engine oil added makes them seem better
Bromsgrove Defender
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Bromsgrove Defender
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Non synthetic's best I believe........ cant remember why though
Dont think synthetic burns very well :alien:
noel colledge
New Member
I was told about 200ml to a tank for my Rangie or about 250.1 depending on your tank size
Hi apparently when BMW tested additives - they found that the basic low smoke red 2 stroke the best.... don't use synthetic......I think it is because the lower grade 2 stroke actually burns to a degree. BMW carried out the tests as they were having trouble with complex common rail diesels in countries like Latvia.......... my brother did a full print out of the report which is about 12 pages long......
richijones
Member
Hi
Ratio should be 200:1 so thats 300ml in 60 litre. I have an old small plastic pop bottle that i have marked at 300ml so i can measure it out at home and take to filling station, tip it in before filling with diesel so it mixes as diesel is added.
Don't us fully synthetic as it does not burn as well as a semi or non synthetic, also look for a low ash oil as it burns cleaner.
On my 3rd tank now fuel economy no better but much smoother.
Adding oil to the diesel should help lubricate high pressure pump and injectors, this was the job of the sulpher in the diesel, like the lead that used to be in petrol. Now we have low sulpher diesel the lubrication it provided is now reduced so imo adding 2 stroke oil can only help. I don't think that adding fuel treatments will help much as you only add a small ammount compared with the volume of fuel in the tank.
Ratio should be 200:1 so thats 300ml in 60 litre. I have an old small plastic pop bottle that i have marked at 300ml so i can measure it out at home and take to filling station, tip it in before filling with diesel so it mixes as diesel is added.
Don't us fully synthetic as it does not burn as well as a semi or non synthetic, also look for a low ash oil as it burns cleaner.
On my 3rd tank now fuel economy no better but much smoother.
Adding oil to the diesel should help lubricate high pressure pump and injectors, this was the job of the sulpher in the diesel, like the lead that used to be in petrol. Now we have low sulpher diesel the lubrication it provided is now reduced so imo adding 2 stroke oil can only help. I don't think that adding fuel treatments will help much as you only add a small ammount compared with the volume of fuel in the tank.
Singvogel
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I've been adding a 200ml shot of ATF (Automatic Transmission Fluid) to every tankful since new in both of the TD4 FLs I've owned, and the other diesel engined vehicles I own.
I too carry a few small plastic bottles with the correct amount already measured out. ATF is highly detergent - keeps everything including the tank and fuel lines clean and lubricates everything it touches especially the fuel pump.
I checked the cleanliness of the injectors and the glow plugs after 50K and they were near spotless.
My current M47R engine at 93K is quieter than most I've listened too.
Gives around 47mpg on long M-way journeys at mmm......max legal speed.
No smoke - but I was tempted by the Tesco 5p/litre off recently and was disappointed to see smoke on overtaking and pulling away from lights.
I generally use Shell V-Power, BP Ultimate, or Total Excellium. I do think it's worth it, for the improved acceleration and mpg.
Maybe I'll give the 2-stroke oil idea a try soon. Sound a good idea as it can't be much different from what I'm putting in now. Perhaps better. Will report back.
I too carry a few small plastic bottles with the correct amount already measured out. ATF is highly detergent - keeps everything including the tank and fuel lines clean and lubricates everything it touches especially the fuel pump.
I checked the cleanliness of the injectors and the glow plugs after 50K and they were near spotless.
My current M47R engine at 93K is quieter than most I've listened too.
Gives around 47mpg on long M-way journeys at mmm......max legal speed.
No smoke - but I was tempted by the Tesco 5p/litre off recently and was disappointed to see smoke on overtaking and pulling away from lights.
I generally use Shell V-Power, BP Ultimate, or Total Excellium. I do think it's worth it, for the improved acceleration and mpg.
Maybe I'll give the 2-stroke oil idea a try soon. Sound a good idea as it can't be much different from what I'm putting in now. Perhaps better. Will report back.
Rob Edge
Repairer of scratches and scrapes.
Interesting read. Having stumbled across adding 2 stroke on google some while ago I decided to give it a go last week. 100ml added to 5 gallons in the P38 DSE with no immediate adverse affect. The plus side is it's visibly cleaner on cold starting, more gutsy at low rpm and definately smoother running. Don't know about economy because I haven't run it long enough. The one thing that did come out of the google search was it isn't recommended in modern common rail engines on one site but another says they found it beneficial.
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Hi all ,
I was very wary at the start, but now i put in about 100ml of cheap wilko brand 2 stroke oil every time i fill up or should i say top up[ about 35 l ] i can confirm the engine sounds smoother and seems to go a bit further on a gallon may try a bit more 2 stroke in the future.....will read more on this thread with interest.
I was very wary at the start, but now i put in about 100ml of cheap wilko brand 2 stroke oil every time i fill up or should i say top up[ about 35 l ] i can confirm the engine sounds smoother and seems to go a bit further on a gallon may try a bit more 2 stroke in the future.....will read more on this thread with interest.
Singvogel
Well-Known Member
Interesting fred. Can yer put any of this stuff in a v6 hippo to make it betterer? Thats a v6 petrol by the way, or is it diesels only.
Sure you can - but a lesser quantity - I'd suggest 50 ml for a tankful to try it first.
Can't do any harm - are you old enough to remember the days of Red X - when the petrol pump attendant (remember them?) used to ask if you wanted any dispensed what what looked like a huge shiny chrome railway oil can?
Those were the days - petrol was four shillings and tenpence ha'penny a gallon.
Ah - nostalgia is not what it used to be..........
easye1
Banned
Hi Bromsgrove Defender,Non synthetic's best I believe........ cant remember why though
Dont think synthetic burns very well :alien:
as a scooterist also
modern fully synthectics are just brillient in high revving 2 strokes,
they burn very clean, leving no to very little deposits behind.
(strip downs of tuned scoot engines are like new almost)
we only use base type 2 stroke oils in old traditional engines.
a point though, with modern fully synth, we only use 2 % mix if "pre mix"
but 4 or 5 % non fully synthectics.
In modern scoots, the oil injection is taken care of adjusting its needs via throttle position = flat out gets more oil injected.
But for doosel tanks....yous gotta ask the clever guys on here - and I want to know too...
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easye1
Banned
updated...
No. 1 son says tescos base oil is "good stuff"
as he works on scoots as a job most days the week, who am I to to say different eh...
Bromsgrove Defender
Well-Known Member
Hi Bromsgrove Defender,
as a scooterist also
modern fully synthectics are just brillient in high revving 2 strokes,
they burn very clean, leving no to very little deposits behind.
(strip downs of tuned scoot engines are like new almost)
we only use base type 2 stroke oils in old traditional engines.
a point though, with modern fully synth, we only use 2 % mix if "pre mix"
but 4 or 5 % non fully synthectics.
In modern scoots, the oil injection is taken care of adjusting its needs via throttle position = flat out gets more oil injected.
But for doosel tanks....yous gotta ask the clever guys on here - and I want to know too...
Struggling to spot your point
Fully synthetic may well be fine in a high revving two stroke. But we int on about two stroke injuns
As the question asked which was best synthetic or not I merely pointed out that I believed that Non synthetic was best because I didn't think synthetic burns very well ( In a low revving injun, not knowing and why would I anything about "scoots" )
Am I wrong ??
twin_cam_turbo
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