You're looking at the wrong page in the book...refer to my post above which states if the car is superlocked and you cannot unlock using the fob button but need to use the key, you have to enter the EKA code....however if you lock on the key you can open on the key and start the engine without the need for the EKA as the vehicle wasn't Superlocked.....again how do I know this? Cos that is how I used my '99 DSE when the fob went south....I am not going go all round the houses only to come back to the same argument when I have clearly attached the page in the handbook that is written in black and white what I am saying...simples!
Grit Valve
2000 4.6 Vouge
No it's not as this page explains and is clearly a warning !!simples no working fob eka needed
Only if it was Superlocked beforehand....
Trust me I ran my DSE using a kanckered key for over 4 months and I had to do was lock and unlock using the key blade in the door lock - no EKA required as it WAS NOT SUPERLOCKED when it was locked.....
I ain't gonna bother to argue with you - if the Vehicle is Superlocked then you have to enter the EKA....if it is not Superlocked you don't have to.....trust me, I have had P38's since 1999 so don't you think in over 14 years of ownership I have been there and seen it all then visited the fecking Gift Shop and bought the fecking T Shirt....
Now I am not saying I am a true genius when it comes to all things related to the P38, but I have dealt with my fair share of ****e with these beasts and if there is one thing that needs to be learnt off by heart on the P38, is the Security and Locking system cos even if you have working keys, the little feckers still feck you about.
I remain resolute - Superlock needs EKA....if not Superlocked, no EKA needed
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I wonder if we are arguing the same point...pre and post 99MY I think worked differently - I am talking post 99 and you are no doubt talking pre 99.....hmmmmm further research required! we both may be right!
Trust me I ran my DSE using a kanckered key for over 4 months and I had to do was lock and unlock using the key blade in the door lock - no EKA required as it WAS NOT SUPERLOCKED when it was locked.....
I ain't gonna bother to argue with you - if the Vehicle is Superlocked then you have to enter the EKA....if it is not Superlocked you don't have to.....trust me, I have had P38's since 1999 so don't you think in over 14 years of ownership I have been there and seen it all then visited the fecking Gift Shop and bought the fecking T Shirt....
Now I am not saying I am a true genius when it comes to all things related to the P38, but I have dealt with my fair share of ****e with these beasts and if there is one thing that needs to be learnt off by heart on the P38, is the Security and Locking system cos even if you have working keys, the little feckers still feck you about.
I remain resolute - Superlock needs EKA....if not Superlocked, no EKA needed
EDIT:
I wonder if we are arguing the same point...pre and post 99MY I think worked differently - I am talking post 99 and you are no doubt talking pre 99.....hmmmmm further research required! we both may be right!
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Grit Valve
2000 4.6 Vouge
honestly I don't like to argue but , please read page 11 really closely as it will tell that you can just lock the car once with blade say battery have run out or a button working fob and the engine is immobilised ....
Now here is the point! Don't you think if you didn't need the eka some thieving #### could just bust the lock barrel with big screwdriver and do ignition lock and drive off without even a code !!
That's what's its there for no key that transmits a code or no key and no code no taking the car that's the point of security !!!!
Grit Valve
2000 4.6 Vouge
Yes that is true but how can you tell the fob to send a code via the coil when the fob isn't working ie no batters broke ect its not going to emit anything .
Datatek
Well-Known Member
Saint V8 is exactly right. You can lock and unlock with the key no problem as long as it was not locked with the FOB. If locked with the FOB and unlocked with the Key only the drivers door opens post 99 and if the FOB is functioning the passive coil will activate the FOB and the other doors will unlock. If superlocked with the FOB and unlocked with the key you will need the EKA code.
Grit Valve
2000 4.6 Vouge
Data we understand the locking of the doors , what' is important ! Is will it friggin start without the eka code as it is immobilise engine if anybody could lock it and unlock it and START it then its not very secure is it !
If you have no joy would sugest look at key fob repair on e.bay. look for a mrsporty. just had my spare fob done which appeared useless. i was very wary about trying it but thought as i have one fob that worked had nothing to lose, he returned the fob within few days gave good communication it works perfectly and sent two new batteries as spares as well so all in all i would recommend him myself.
and his feedback speaks well for recomendations.
and his feedback speaks well for recomendations.
Datatek
Well-Known Member
As I said, the EKA code is only needed after a superlock, I know this from experience. It's all detailed in the handbook. Early cars are different but on the 96 I've never needed EKA when using the key.
Datatek
Well-Known Member
Taken from the 99 on owners manual.
Locks & alarm
11
Your vehicle is fitted with a sophisticated
electronic anti-theft alarm and engine
immobilisation system. In order to ensure
maximum security, you are advised to gain a
full understanding of the system by
thoroughly reading this section of the
handbook.
LOCKING THE VEHICLE AND ARMING THE
ALARM
You have been supplied with two
handset/keys (numbered 1 and 2). While both
are identical in operation, they transmit two
different sets of information (see ’Lazy seats’.
Replacement handsets are only available from
a Land Rover dealer. Up to two further
handsets (3 and 4) can also be obtained.
There are four methods for securing your
vehicle:
1. ’Superlocking’ using the handset -(
recommended high security method).
2. ’Superlocking’ using the key.
3. Locking using the handset.
4. Locking using the key.
FOR MAXIMUM SECURITY, ALWAYS
’SUPERLOCK’ THE VEHICLE USING THE
HANDSET
(except when the vehicle is to be locked with
passengers or animals inside).
IMPORTANT INFORMATION
Emergency keys
In addition to the two handsets, you have
also been supplied with two separate
keys. These keys perform the same
functions as the key part of the handset
and are intended for emergency use only.
DO NOT keep the keys inside the vehicle.
The handset
The radio remote handset has three buttons.
By pressing the appropriate button, the
handset can be used either as a conventional
key, or as a remote handset to either lock or
’superlock’ the vehicle.
Locks & alarm
14
’Superlocking’ using the key:
Wherever possible the handset MUST be used
to ’superlock’ the vehicle. However, if the
handset is inoperative, the key can be used as
follows:
Turn the key in the driver’s door towards the
rear of the vehicle (and release) twice within
1 1 /2 seconds.
NOTE: ’Superlocking’ the vehicle using the
key will provide perimetric protection only
-volumetric protection (protection of the
interior space inside the vehicle) WILL NOT
BE ACTIVE! If any door, the bonnet, or the
tailgate is left open, a mislock will occur (see
’Mislock’.
To unlock:
Wherever possible use the handset to unlock
the vehicle - press and release the ’unlock’
button.
If necessary, the key can be used to unlock a
’superlocked’ vehicle, but before the engine
can be started, it will be necessary to release
the engine immobilisation function by entering
the emergency key access code (see
’Emergency key access’.
IMPORTANT INFORMATION
If unattended passengers are to be left in
the vehicle, DO NOT superlock.
Unattended passengers should lock the
vehicle from inside by pressing down the
driver’s door sill button.
If animals are to be left in the vehicle,
volumetric protection MUST NOT be
activated - any movement inside the
vehicle could trigger the alarm.
DO NOT leave children unattended in the
vehicle!
WARNING
NEVER ’superlock’ the vehicle if passengers
are to be left inside - ’superlocking’
prevents door locks from being operated
from INSIDE as well as outside the vehicle!
NOTE: If the handset ’lock’ button or the door
key are operated once, the central locking will
be activated, but the alarm will only be in
’perimetric’ mode and the doors and locks
CAN be opened from the inside. ALWAYS,
where possible secure the vehicle by
’superlocking’.
’Sill’ locking
To operate the central locking from inside the
vehicle, push down either front door sill
button.
The security system will NOT be armed.
NOTE: ’Sill’ locking (also known as slam
locking) is NOT possible from outside the
vehicle.
Locks & alarm
11
Your vehicle is fitted with a sophisticated
electronic anti-theft alarm and engine
immobilisation system. In order to ensure
maximum security, you are advised to gain a
full understanding of the system by
thoroughly reading this section of the
handbook.
LOCKING THE VEHICLE AND ARMING THE
ALARM
You have been supplied with two
handset/keys (numbered 1 and 2). While both
are identical in operation, they transmit two
different sets of information (see ’Lazy seats’
.Replacement handsets are only available from
a Land Rover dealer. Up to two further
handsets (3 and 4) can also be obtained.
There are four methods for securing your
vehicle:
1. ’Superlocking’ using the handset -(
recommended high security method).
2. ’Superlocking’ using the key.
3. Locking using the handset.
4. Locking using the key.
FOR MAXIMUM SECURITY, ALWAYS
’SUPERLOCK’ THE VEHICLE USING THE
HANDSET
(except when the vehicle is to be locked with
passengers or animals inside).
IMPORTANT INFORMATION
Emergency keys
In addition to the two handsets, you have
also been supplied with two separate
keys. These keys perform the same
functions as the key part of the handset
and are intended for emergency use only.
DO NOT keep the keys inside the vehicle.
The handset
The radio remote handset has three buttons.
By pressing the appropriate button, the
handset can be used either as a conventional
key, or as a remote handset to either lock or
’superlock’ the vehicle.
Locks & alarm
14
’Superlocking’ using the key:
Wherever possible the handset MUST be used
to ’superlock’ the vehicle. However, if the
handset is inoperative, the key can be used as
follows:
Turn the key in the driver’s door towards the
rear of the vehicle (and release) twice within
1 1 /2 seconds.
NOTE: ’Superlocking’ the vehicle using the
key will provide perimetric protection only
-volumetric protection (protection of the
interior space inside the vehicle) WILL NOT
BE ACTIVE! If any door, the bonnet, or the
tailgate is left open, a mislock will occur (see
’Mislock’
.To unlock:
Wherever possible use the handset to unlock
the vehicle - press and release the ’unlock’
button.
If necessary, the key can be used to unlock a
’superlocked’ vehicle, but before the engine
can be started, it will be necessary to release
the engine immobilisation function by entering
the emergency key access code (see
’Emergency key access’
.IMPORTANT INFORMATION
If unattended passengers are to be left in
the vehicle, DO NOT superlock.
Unattended passengers should lock the
vehicle from inside by pressing down the
driver’s door sill button.
If animals are to be left in the vehicle,
volumetric protection MUST NOT be
activated - any movement inside the
vehicle could trigger the alarm.
DO NOT leave children unattended in the
vehicle!
WARNING
NEVER ’superlock’ the vehicle if passengers
are to be left inside - ’superlocking’
prevents door locks from being operated
from INSIDE as well as outside the vehicle!
NOTE: If the handset ’lock’ button or the door
key are operated once, the central locking will
be activated, but the alarm will only be in
’perimetric’ mode and the doors and locks
CAN be opened from the inside. ALWAYS,
where possible secure the vehicle by
’superlocking’.
’Sill’ locking
To operate the central locking from inside the
vehicle, push down either front door sill
button.
The security system will NOT be armed.
NOTE: ’Sill’ locking (also known as slam
locking) is NOT possible from outside the
vehicle.
Grit Valve
2000 4.6 Vouge
What a load of bull**** .
I have two fobs both work I have just taken the batters out of one set so I can only use it with the key I have just locked the car unlocked is tried to start it engine immobilised !!!!!!!
I just super locked it with a non working fob opened it tried to start it and engine immobilised !!!!
Put the battery in put in in the ingnition flashing lights on fob whilst its syncing when finished turned the key GUESS WHAT
It friggin started so enough of the bull****e please and I have the more intelligent post 99
RANT OVER!
I have two fobs both work I have just taken the batters out of one set so I can only use it with the key I have just locked the car unlocked is tried to start it engine immobilised !!!!!!!
I just super locked it with a non working fob opened it tried to start it and engine immobilised !!!!
Put the battery in put in in the ingnition flashing lights on fob whilst its syncing when finished turned the key GUESS WHAT
It friggin started so enough of the bull****e please and I have the more intelligent post 99
RANT OVER!
Grit Valve
2000 4.6 Vouge
very nice quote ! Now look here concentrate bottom left of page describes locking the car once either with the key or a fob when it says key it assumes your fob is broken that's why the manuel tels you to always use the fob if you canTaken from the 99 on owners manual.
Locks & alarm
11
Your vehicle is fitted with a sophisticated
electronic anti-theft alarm and engine
immobilisation system. In order to ensure
maximum security, you are advised to gain a
full understanding of the system by
thoroughly reading this section of the
handbook.
LOCKING THE VEHICLE AND ARMING THE
ALARM
You have been supplied with two
handset/keys (numbered 1 and 2). While both
are identical in operation, they transmit two
different sets of information (see ’Lazy seats’
Replacement handsets are only available from
a Land Rover dealer. Up to two further
handsets (3 and 4) can also be obtained.
There are four methods for securing your
vehicle:
1. ’Superlocking’ using the handset -(
recommended high security method).
2. ’Superlocking’ using the key.
3. Locking using the handset.
4. Locking using the key.
FOR MAXIMUM SECURITY, ALWAYS
’SUPERLOCK’ THE VEHICLE USING THE
HANDSET
(except when the vehicle is to be locked with
passengers or animals inside).
IMPORTANT INFORMATION
Emergency keys
In addition to the two handsets, you have
also been supplied with two separate
keys. These keys perform the same
functions as the key part of the handset
and are intended for emergency use only.
DO NOT keep the keys inside the vehicle.
The handset
The radio remote handset has three buttons.
By pressing the appropriate button, the
handset can be used either as a conventional
key, or as a remote handset to either lock or
’superlock’ the vehicle.
Locks & alarm
14
’Superlocking’ using the key:
Wherever possible the handset MUST be used
to ’superlock’ the vehicle. However, if the
handset is inoperative, the key can be used as
follows:
Turn the key in the driver’s door towards the
rear of the vehicle (and release) twice within
1 1 /2 seconds.
NOTE: ’Superlocking’ the vehicle using the
key will provide perimetric protection only
-volumetric protection (protection of the
interior space inside the vehicle) WILL NOT
BE ACTIVE! If any door, the bonnet, or the
tailgate is left open, a mislock will occur (see
’Mislock’
To unlock:
Wherever possible use the handset to unlock
the vehicle - press and release the ’unlock’
button.
If necessary, the key can be used to unlock a
’superlocked’ vehicle, but before the engine
can be started, it will be necessary to release
the engine immobilisation function by entering
the emergency key access code (see
’Emergency key access’
IMPORTANT INFORMATION
If unattended passengers are to be left in
the vehicle, DO NOT superlock.
Unattended passengers should lock the
vehicle from inside by pressing down the
driver’s door sill button.
If animals are to be left in the vehicle,
volumetric protection MUST NOT be
activated - any movement inside the
vehicle could trigger the alarm.
DO NOT leave children unattended in the
vehicle!
WARNING
NEVER ’superlock’ the vehicle if passengers
are to be left inside - ’superlocking’
prevents door locks from being operated
from INSIDE as well as outside the vehicle!
NOTE: If the handset ’lock’ button or the door
key are operated once, the central locking will
be activated, but the alarm will only be in
’perimetric’ mode and the doors and locks
CAN be opened from the inside. ALWAYS,
where possible secure the vehicle by
’superlocking’.
’Sill’ locking
To operate the central locking from inside the
vehicle, push down either front door sill
button.
The security system will NOT be armed.
NOTE: ’Sill’ locking (also known as slam
locking) is NOT possible from outside the
vehicle.
So where was I oh yes see where is says its immobilised nothing about super locking that's in the next paragraph if you read !
Is exactly as I said earlier.....EKA after superlock on fob, EKA not required on key lock or normal fob lock, I ran my 97 and my 99 this way by using the key only, never needed the EKA either!
Grit Valve
2000 4.6 Vouge
As I said earler I just locked and super locked the car both times on start up engine immobilised only way to re- mobilise would be with the eka the only thing I can think off is once you have enterd with eka using a broken fob is that is remains that way , you know what its like when you haven't done something for a long time things become vauge . So I leave it at that
But if you two really think you can start type 1 thatcham security system with just the turn of a key I think you need your heads testing !
Datatek
Well-Known Member
Well mine does, in fact both do, they operate exactly as stated in the owners manual. I guess yours must have a problem.
Grit Valve
2000 4.6 Vouge
So lets get this clear in black and white for everybody to see,your saying a locked p38 either either locked or super locked onced opened with a broken fob using thev key only ! Will start the car without the need to use the EKA code !!!
Dream on buddy
Datatek
Well-Known Member
No read the owners manual again, if super locked it needs EKA, normal locking does not. I never use super locking and will eventually disable it.
Grit Valve
2000 4.6 Vouge
i think you need to brush up ! When will you learn the only Difference between super locking and locking is the locks cannot be opened from inside and volume metric is activated with as with the usual alarm mode including engine immobiliser
