JonFre
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Good luck with it, they don't all fail. I think the Freelander is a great car but it's a shame the 1.8 spoilt things. Keep watching that coolant level, at least weekly.
Good luck with it, they don't all fail. I think the Freelander is a great car but it's a shame the 1.8 spoilt things. Keep watching that coolant level, at least weekly.
Northern Irelander
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Folks don't kid yourselves if you think the Td4 is any better than a k-series, just cos it's a BMW engine don't mean squat. The Mini 2 is BMW, it suffers hgf.
Very few are giving advice on here, they are giving their opinion
For those doing their worst for the k-series and FL1........keep going, it only means the more people who read this the cheaper they become, which is good news for me
Very few are giving advice on here, they are giving their opinion
For those doing their worst for the k-series and FL1........keep going, it only means the more people who read this the cheaper they become, which is good news for me
isn't "don't buy a 1.8 engined Freelander" advice then
Northern Irelander
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Technically yes, but is it good advice when it comes from monkeys, monkey see monkey do!!!
Chumba wumba
if it's factually correct, if a dead wasp gave it it's still good advice - or perhaps good advise is somewhat diminished in value if you, or the many hippos owners who now wish they'd spent more wisely, don't agree with it ?
That's very polite, being a betting man the diesel will fail less and work out cheaper in the end.
I personally do not rate the freelander at all, but if you must ignore good advice-go do what you like.
OldIrishWulf
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I just saw this thread title and started reading this last page and from the title the only mod I could think of was a match and stand well back.
aswell as all the horror stories,you couldnt really smoke over it,break a habit.....
aswell as all the horror stories,you couldnt really smoke over it,break a habit.....
I am at a loss as to what to say.......
I have had a petrol freelander and caught a very bad ( and expensive) cold. I therefore am giving the benefit of my experience. As a certified Mech. Eng. Of some 30 odd years experience, i believe that the freelander has serious design issues which I have discussed ad nauseam on this forum.
I am not just " a knocker" for the sake of it. I have given positive advice, both on this thread and numerous others as to what I believe can be done to improve the design ( or reduce the chances of expensive failures.
Peeps buyin a petrol freelander, and to a lesser extent diesels, need to be made aware of these substantial prospective problems, so that they can make an inforned decision as to whether they want to entertain the risk. Sure, not all will suffer, but a buyer needs to know what is the likelyhood of a problem. If they then want to go ahead, armed with ALL the facts then that is fine. They want honest answers, not platitudes and those that perpetualy shout " unfair" are as bad as those that only reply "matches".
Irishwulf - read the posts - suggested mods such as the remote thermostat and EWP have been suggested - you are as blinkered as those shouting "shame". NI - yu should know better than call us "monkeys" - we have discussed this model for years. Not every purchaser has your level of expertise or the same facilities to overcome the problems.
The OP asked for advice and he was given it. He can accept it or ignore it, but at least he knows what "pro-landriver" peeps think of it. I wish him luck- maybe he will get a good one. But he shouldnt come back bleating that he wasnt informed of the risk.
I have had a petrol freelander and caught a very bad ( and expensive) cold. I therefore am giving the benefit of my experience. As a certified Mech. Eng. Of some 30 odd years experience, i believe that the freelander has serious design issues which I have discussed ad nauseam on this forum.
I am not just " a knocker" for the sake of it. I have given positive advice, both on this thread and numerous others as to what I believe can be done to improve the design ( or reduce the chances of expensive failures.
Peeps buyin a petrol freelander, and to a lesser extent diesels, need to be made aware of these substantial prospective problems, so that they can make an inforned decision as to whether they want to entertain the risk. Sure, not all will suffer, but a buyer needs to know what is the likelyhood of a problem. If they then want to go ahead, armed with ALL the facts then that is fine. They want honest answers, not platitudes and those that perpetualy shout " unfair" are as bad as those that only reply "matches".
Irishwulf - read the posts - suggested mods such as the remote thermostat and EWP have been suggested - you are as blinkered as those shouting "shame". NI - yu should know better than call us "monkeys" - we have discussed this model for years. Not every purchaser has your level of expertise or the same facilities to overcome the problems.
The OP asked for advice and he was given it. He can accept it or ignore it, but at least he knows what "pro-landriver" peeps think of it. I wish him luck- maybe he will get a good one. But he shouldnt come back bleating that he wasnt informed of the risk.
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OldIrishWulf
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petol engine in a landrover even the less agricultural, defies the .......mm....practicality.
OldIrishWulf
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:hysterically_laughi
He wants to got to another forum where people will tell him yeah go ahead thats alot of metal and plastic for how much.good grief a five year old car will pobably be just out of warrsnty ,where some guy has known if something went it could go backn be fixed,then when the warranty ran out....you want something that was dependable .
the freelander is a very good Land Rover.
its very worthy of the green oval.
it was built to last,
it was built to carry a diesel heart.
I dont know if i read the start post,dunno who wants to modify what?
Thank you all for your ever so helpful replies.
We don't want a diesel. They are at least £1500 to £2000 dearer or much older with higher miles for the same money.
I can't see how every petrol Freelander will have problems or there would have been a massive recall and they wouldn't be Land Rover's number one selling car.
Think I'll try another forum where the members aren't so blinkered and just out of interest, how many of you have actually owned Freelanders or is your prejudice purely second hand?
He wants to got to another forum where people will tell him yeah go ahead thats alot of metal and plastic for how much.good grief a five year old car will pobably be just out of warrsnty ,where some guy has known if something went it could go backn be fixed,then when the warranty ran out....you want something that was dependable .
the freelander is a very good Land Rover.
its very worthy of the green oval.
it was built to last,
it was built to carry a diesel heart.
I dont know if i read the start post,dunno who wants to modify what?
OldIrishWulf
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i am not ever going to buy any vehicle that was built between 2007 and whenever...
all companies have been cutting costs.
all companies have been cutting costs.
OldIrishWulf
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Hi all, the missus has fallen in love with a 2005 Freelander 1 1.8 petrol, 37k miles, one owner, great condition, £5995 from a dealer with a year's warranty. From trawling this forum I've learnt that it should have a modified gasket fitted with steel dowels and possibly modified oil rail too. Were they recalled for these mods and how can we check if they've been done? If they haven't been done, how important is it really (given that there's the warranty) and what's it's likely to cost? We've looked at quite a few and this does seem to be the best value.
Before anyone says, she doesn't want a Disco, it has to be as new as possible, safety and grip in snow / wet conditions are the priority.
Thanks.
if you must have the speed of a 1.8 and much more petrol head excitement get this 2003 ALFA ROMEO 156 1.8 TS Turismo and with the money left over from the 6k buy whatever diesel freelander 2l ,and a good set of spanners and sockets.
OldIrishWulf
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Hi all, the missus has fallen in love with a 2005 Freelander 1 1.8 petrol, 37k miles, one owner, great condition, £5995 from a dealer with a year's warranty. From trawling this forum I've learnt that it should have a modified gasket fitted with steel dowels and possibly modified oil rail too. Were they recalled for these mods and how can we check if they've been done? If they haven't been done, how important is it really (given that there's the warranty) and what's it's likely to cost? We've looked at quite a few and this does seem to be the best value.
Before anyone says, she doesn't want a Disco, it has to be as new as possible, safety and grip in snow / wet conditions are the priority.
Thanks.
if you must have the speed of a 1.8 and much more petrol head excitement get this 2003 ALFA ROMEO 156 1.8 TS Turismo and with the money left over from the 6k buy whatever diesel freelander 2l ,and a good set of spanners and sockets.
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howardo
New Member
Why is the 2 litre L-series diesel always overlooked? Its fecking bombproof, cheap and easy to work on. Put it in a landrover that doesn't rust a.k.a. a freelander and you're on to a winner. Mine doesn't have ABS, HDC or TC either. Its the most trouble free landrover ever made.
OldIrishWulf
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mine does have abs tc that work,but i have a few other bits are broken or un fixable,but it goes like a dinggger.Im going to replace the rear diff mountings and when i have a few spare notes, ill get replace the rear srive shafts.
today after a few coffee's im going,to fix my wheel lock nut......copper piece o crap.
does anyone know who supplies yellow rear forks.I replaced my front ones a 2 years ago got them through a factors,not sure but I THINK they could be munroe?
today after a few coffee's im going,to fix my wheel lock nut......copper piece o crap.
does anyone know who supplies yellow rear forks.I replaced my front ones a 2 years ago got them through a factors,not sure but I THINK they could be munroe?
Northern Irelander
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The monkeys are those who have never set eyes on a k-series 1.8, let alone worked on one,
OP has said 'THEY DON'T WANT A FOOKIN DIESEL'
at least be honest and point the OP to another manufacturer, cos in my OPINION all LR's are a bag of $h!te, from the pretenders right up to the derRanged Rovers
In the next day or so, I'll be bolting my k-series head on to the block, the OE competition gasket from Mike Satur MG, £14
Hgf repair in a k-series is an easy fix, which requires no specialist tools. (provided the engine hasn't overheated or fatigued)
The only reason hgf repair has become so fookin expensive is the more publicity it got early naughties, the more garages saw an opportunity to shaft people, LR dealers anorl.
The MLS gasket back in 2006 was around 30% cheaper, talk about upping your profit margains.
k4 Hgf repair ranges from around £300 (some guy in the Midlands who travels to your door) to around a grand in a stealers
Its been said on here many times, k-series 1:8 is an enthusiasts engine, absolute marvel to drive and work on.
If the OP isn't prepared to get the hands dirty or fork out for the local mechanic, then walk away and go and buy a Toyota RAV 4 (after a recall)
OP has said 'THEY DON'T WANT A FOOKIN DIESEL'
at least be honest and point the OP to another manufacturer, cos in my OPINION all LR's are a bag of $h!te, from the pretenders right up to the derRanged Rovers
In the next day or so, I'll be bolting my k-series head on to the block, the OE competition gasket from Mike Satur MG, £14
Hgf repair in a k-series is an easy fix, which requires no specialist tools. (provided the engine hasn't overheated or fatigued)
The only reason hgf repair has become so fookin expensive is the more publicity it got early naughties, the more garages saw an opportunity to shaft people, LR dealers anorl.
The MLS gasket back in 2006 was around 30% cheaper, talk about upping your profit margains.
k4 Hgf repair ranges from around £300 (some guy in the Midlands who travels to your door) to around a grand in a stealers
Its been said on here many times, k-series 1:8 is an enthusiasts engine, absolute marvel to drive and work on.
If the OP isn't prepared to get the hands dirty or fork out for the local mechanic, then walk away and go and buy a Toyota RAV 4 (after a recall)
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OOPs - is we getting irate, 1793 (see i can remember ). I agree that the 1.8 is a motor that you need to be able to work on - if not then a doozil is a better option, even if that was not the OP's first choice.
I have heard rumours of a "new" type gasket - anything your end, NI?
as for an alternative, I didnt want to go that route, for fear of upsetting Mrs Minge - yu know wots coming next - a PETROL (not doozil, coz they blow up) X-Trail, may be more expensive to fit, but mine has only cost me £300 in 3 years, and it dont rot either.
As for the repair being expensive, it was also the case that, because SEQUENTIAL HGF was not uncommon, garages didnt want the risk of being caught time after time - so either made it very expensive, refused to fix HGF, or only quoted for complete engine replace.
). I agree that the 1.8 is a motor that you need to be able to work on - if not then a doozil is a better option, even if that was not the OP's first choice.I have heard rumours of a "new" type gasket - anything your end, NI?
as for an alternative, I didnt want to go that route, for fear of upsetting Mrs Minge - yu know wots coming next - a PETROL (not doozil, coz they blow up) X-Trail, may be more expensive to fit, but mine has only cost me £300 in 3 years, and it dont rot either.
As for the repair being expensive, it was also the case that, because SEQUENTIAL HGF was not uncommon, garages didnt want the risk of being caught time after time - so either made it very expensive, refused to fix HGF, or only quoted for complete engine replace.
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JonFre
Active Member
disco_mikey
Active Member
For all those K-series haters out there, the diesel does have its problems too...
Fuel pumps (HP + LP)
Fuel filters rotting through
Injectors
Fuel rail sensor
MAF's
Turbo's
EGR's sticking
Blown hoses/Burst I/C's
The K-series?
HGF
Coil packs
IMHO, once the MLS H/G has been fitted, it is probably more reliable than a TD4...
Fuel pumps (HP + LP)
Fuel filters rotting through
Injectors
Fuel rail sensor
MAF's
Turbo's
EGR's sticking
Blown hoses/Burst I/C's
The K-series?
HGF
Coil packs
IMHO, once the MLS H/G has been fitted, it is probably more reliable than a TD4...
OldIrishWulf
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getting back to modifications,the only eye catching mod ive made,besides putting
Cork stickers on the number plates.
I've replaced the front forks for yellow(ordered forks from auto factor,wasnt
expecting yellow),they look great,but they look even better since I painted the brake callipers.
When i changed the rear drums,i wasnt sure wheather to paint,or not...so i
didn't,,should have,it should look even better with new yellow dampers.
till you need to replace your grey bumper,but they are pretty un breakable:mil80:
Cork stickers on the number plates.
I've replaced the front forks for yellow(ordered forks from auto factor,wasnt
expecting yellow),they look great,but they look even better since I painted the brake callipers.
When i changed the rear drums,i wasnt sure wheather to paint,or not...so i
didn't,,should have,it should look even better with new yellow dampers.
till you need to replace your grey bumper,but they are pretty un breakable:mil80:
