The Mad Hat Man said:

Sorry, but its one thing that winds me up - negative posts without an opportunity to rectify is the bane of any business! ask @Nodge! give them a call - you never can tell. they may surprise you/ be glad of the feedback. if they tell you to whistle, then you can, justifiably say that it isnt good.

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I can "justifiably" say I'm not going to fit the product as supplied.

I can "justifiably" explain how I am going to adapt the product to my satisfaction.

If you want to ring them up then please by all means do so. I'm not going to ring them up to make you feel better.

well that told me . No skin off my nose.

Stretch said:

I think it depends what you are trying to achieve. The door pillars I bought from YRM won't fit my bulkhead =>

Please note - I am being picky!

I am trying to make my bulkhead look original. I'm sure there are lots of people who wouldn't be all that bothered by the faults I've found with those new pieces

Here's a link to what I've done to correct the new parts =>

https://www.landyzone.co.uk/land-rover/1965-series-2a-station-wagon-in-holland.298002/page-41

The two most irritating problems with these A posts are 1) holes for wing don't line up - would have to hack to make it all fit, 2) No gutter / lip for the door seal

Note also that I think the posts I bought from YRM probably weren't made by them. I ordered several other parts at the same time from YRM and these were the only bits that turned up in black primer. The rest of the order was more obviously "made by them" - galvanised bits with evidence of MIG welding...

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Hi Stretch - I appreciate that you are being 'picky' in this thread, but an email to ourselves as well, would have been welcomed. These parts that are supplied are made by machines and therefore the tolerance is quote low, when fitting to bulkheads which were hand made, can often result in gaps, as you have experienced. Unfortunately the lip is not included in any of these manufactured parts. As you have stated the A post are bought in and we will pass this feedback onto our suppliers. You are also more than welcome to return the parts or discuss this further with ourselves, by either emailing contact@yrmit.co.uk or calling 01388 488150. Thanks, Carly@YRM

CarlyAtwill said:

Hi Stretch - I appreciate that you are being 'picky' in this thread, but an email to ourselves as well, would have been welcomed. These parts that are supplied are made by machines and therefore the tolerance is quote low, when fitting to bulkheads which were hand made, can often result in gaps, as you have experienced. Unfortunately the lip is not included in any of these manufactured parts. As you have stated the A post are bought in and we will pass this feedback onto our suppliers. You are also more than welcome to return the parts or discuss this further with ourselves, by either emailing contact@yrmit.co.uk or calling 01388 488150. Thanks, Carly@YRM

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Hi Carly,

I think you misunderstand the situation. Up until now I've not been complaining about YRM their / your service or the products they / you have provided. I've been showing what I've been doing to make them fit my bulkhead.

I'm surprised to read that you feel I owe you an email: I'm sorry to report, however, that after the experience I had ordering the parts in the first place, I got the distinct impression that you would not be interested. If you'd like to see more of what I am doing to the parts I bought from YRM then you can find that information in the link I provided earlier.

If you look at posts concerning the modifications I have made to the A posts so far, I think you might understand why I do not wish to return the product to you. Firstly I don't think you'd accept modified A posts - secondly I don't want to return items that have taken the best part of a working day to get close to being what I think could be acceptable. I still need to invest a whole load more time in them...





Again - I want to stress - that I am being picky. I get the distinct impression from other Land Rover owners that the modifications I am making to these A posts are beyond the expectations of the majority. "Bash it and grind it until it fits" (or words to that effect) has already been suggested in this thread. That's not what I'll be doing to the original parts of my bulkhead - it is however exactly what I'm doing to the replacement part: =>

Pattern parts in my experience are always a bit crap. Like you suggest getting the tooling right for every variation is going to be difficult - I accept that - and I feel that I received (more or less) what I was expecting from YRM when I ordered the parts. I will be "finishing off" the other parts you sold me and I expect I will have to modify more of the parts I bought from YRM. It is OK - these are old vehicles - modifications after careful measurement is the norm.

Cheers everybody for the posts I have been in contact with YRM and they seem very helpful. Fingers crossed this winter sees the 2a finally getting sorted and the tractors left alone. Best get some new grinding discs

Stretch, I admire your perfectionism in reworking parts to make them fit correctly and your reluctance to bash and grind. However, if you after true authenticism, you should bash and grind cos that what landrover did to nearly all series landies. Nothing fitted properly when they assembled them. My ex brother in law worked on the track and says he was horrified when he first started there at what went on to get the vehicles together.

Col

Colthebrummie said:

Stretch, I admire your perfectionism in reworking parts to make them fit correctly and your reluctance to bash and grind. However, if you after true authenticism, you should bash and grind cos that what landrover did to nearly all series landies. Nothing fitted properly when they assembled them. My ex brother in law worked on the track and says he was horrified when he first started there at what went on to get the vehicles together.

Col

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Some of us still are !

Colthebrummie said:

Stretch, I admire your perfectionism in reworking parts to make them fit correctly and your reluctance to bash and grind. However, if you after true authenticism, you should bash and grind cos that what landrover did to nearly all series landies. Nothing fitted properly when they assembled them. My ex brother in law worked on the track and says he was horrified when he first started there at what went on to get the vehicles together.

Col

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Thanks Col - I don't think I have ever seen a truly straight Land Rover - even the modern ones are not built that way (which is why they've been dolling them up with bling I guess)

I suspect if someone did try and make a "perfect" Land Rover it would look pretty weird - these are utilitarian vehicles that as you say undoubtedly were roughly made.

Certain obvious faults like missing gutters for door seals and correct length parts are however worth tackling because the adjoining parts just aren't going to fit: In this situation I'm of the opinion that it is best to bash and grind the replacement parts...

...anyway good luck to @dandd with his planned metal working

Cheers stretch

Any tips would be much appreciated

dandd said:

Cheers stretch

Any tips would be much appreciated

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I'm interested to see how you get on.

The one thing that comes to mind with the A posts is that the original design is a little bit more complicated than perhaps might be thought. (I can only comment on the series 2 2/a bulkhead design - never looked closely at a series 3 - so @ everyone else bear this in mind if you've got a series 3 bulkhead)

The corner at which the A post fits into the bulkhead is a meeting of three pieces

There's a big piece of metal that runs across the width of the bulkhead - this is the outer skin (easy to see) - this is tucked round the outer side of the A post

Inside this edge there's an "upper A post" section that runs from (about) the holes for the hinges to the big beefy bracket for the windscreen

The lower A post (the bit I've been modifying) slots behind these two other pieces - that's why there was originally a step designed in this part =>



So the advice I can give about this connection is that if you're planning to keep the replacement A post as it comes out of the box you might want to think about how you're going to make this part at least as strong as the original.

This is potentially a tricky bit to fit - if you weld in the replacement panel as is, the thickness isn't going to be as was - you might find (cos of welding heat etc) this part is easy to twist out of shape and you might get trouble fitting doors and front wings just because this joint isn't quite right.

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As always - look at what you've ordered and come up with a good plan on how it is all going to fit before you cut!

I visited the factory in the early 80's an was amazed by the amount of "bodging"[for want of a better word] that was done even on top of the range Range rovers to make things fit. A row of new just off the line Rangies waiting to have dents in their panals filled [they were filled not replaced] and another still smouldering after catching fire while on the rolling road opened ones eyes a bit.

tottot said:

I visited the factory in the early 80's an was amazed by the amount of "bodging"[for want of a better word] that was done even on top of the range Range rovers to make things fit. A row of new just off the line Rangies waiting to have dents in their panals filled [they were filled not replaced] and another still smouldering after catching fire while on the rolling road opened ones eyes a bit.

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It's the Brummie way, if it don't fit, hit the b@stard until it does.

Col

Ay Col, It's the way around here to.If you can't bash it into place in the normal way,fetch a bigger hammer! Cheers John.