Nodge68 said:

I suspect that may be something to do with it. But emissions is the official line I heard.
Where is Hippo by the way. Not see him for a while.

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Forgot! No idea where Hippo is! Havent seen him on lz for a while. Shame!

Skinny Mike said:

Hippo was on midday Monday, not been around since, hopefully just having a well earned break. Mike

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Thats good! not seen him post for a bit.

Nodge68 said:

What size engine is a 285 Hp Jeep?
You have remember that here in the UK, petrol is the equivalent of over $5.60 per US Gallon. So miles per gallon is important. This why most 4X4 vehicles sold here are diesel.

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fuel injected V6, then there is talk of a diesel from cummins a V6 turbo charged

Skinny Mike said:

Our Cherokee has the 3.0V6 diesel. 215ish horse power and 415ftlb of torque. Puts a huge smile on my face. Mike

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V6 eco diesel 240 hp and rated for 30 mpg(4x2) 28mpg (4x4) highway, with a 8 sp auto. Only available for rest of the world, not in USA yet

@Hippo has been around, got notification he liked one of my posts recently - I am honoured!

TBH emmisions, manufacuring costs, safety levels, EURO legislation blah blah - they are not reasons to stop manufacturing of 'a Defender'. They are reasons why JLR needed to develop a new vehicle and excuses people outside JLR give for its demise. Lets face it these are same reasons why European manufacturers are still main players in motor vehicle manufacturing - because they have the resources and knowledge to create vehicles to these ever changing regulations. In many ways they are regulations to protect European motor manufacturers.

Over the last 25 years JRL, be it under guises of BMW, Ford or Tata, has chosen to put those developments into RR, Discover, Freelander, Evoke - but not Defender. So it is choices over those many years and different owners that leads LR to not have "a Land Rover".

I hope they do build another "proper Land Rover". I'm sure they can and I'm sure they will sell lots of them - the #1 selling vehicle in NZ is the Hilux and it has been for many years - I'm sure in no small part due to lack of investment in Defender. I'm sure it will also help to retain high volume sales of other vehicles in the LR stable.

Its a bit like Queen without Freddie Mercury or Fortmun & Masons without Hampers!

One defender was rolling off the production line every 4 mins where as a Range Rover was rolling off every 86 seconds. That's the real reason. They couldn't automate enough which has financial implications, legislation was just an excuse IMO.

GrumpyGel said:

@Hippo has been around, got notification he liked one of my posts recently - I am honoured!

TBH emmisions, manufacuring costs, safety levels, EURO legislation blah blah - they are not reasons to stop manufacturing of 'a Defender'. They are reasons why JLR needed to develop a new vehicle and excuses people outside JLR give for its demise. Lets face it these are the same reasons why European manufacturers are still main players in motor vehicle manufacturing-because they still have the resources and knowledge to create vehicles to these ever changing regulations. In many ways they are regulations to protect European motor manufacturers.

Over the last 25 years JRL, be it under guises of BMW, Ford or Tata, has chosen to put those developments into RR, Discover, Freelander, Evoke - but not Defender. So it is choices over those many years and different owners that leads LR to not have "a Land Rover".

I hope they do build another "proper Land Rover". I'm sure they can and I'm sure they will sell lots of them - the #1 selling vehicle in NZ is the Hilux and it has been for many years - I'm sure in no small part due to lack of investment in Defender. I'm sure it will also help to retain high volume sales of other vehicles in the LR stable.

Its a bit like Queen without Freddie Mercury or Fortmun & Masons without Hampers!

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Pretty much agree with that, but it didnt work for VW, did it!

flat said:

One defender was rolling off the production line every 4 mins where as a Range Rover was rolling off every 86 seconds. That's the real reason. They couldn't automate enough which has financial implications, legislation was just an excuse IMO.

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+1 Design of the vehicle simply wasnt suited to automated production.