Clanforbes

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Hi folks,

I know nothing about winches, but I am considering getting one as I will be using my defender for launching/recovering my wee boat on rocky beaches.
Needless to say, I'm a bit paranoid about getting stuck at low tide and would love to fit a winch just in case.

Any and all advice would be much appreciated, but if someone who has some experience of winches could tell me what they think of this?

Winch bumper Landrover 90 110 Land rover defender on eBay (end time 08-Jan-11 18:02:20 GMT)

I would be very grateful.

Ta muchly in advance.

Ron.
 
Hi & thanks for your quick reply, in fact, just thanks for your reply at all.

Oopsie, It's main (probably only) purpose would be for getting the landy out of the water's way if the tide was coming in and I got stuck. So, it's for getting the landy up the beach. The beaches I would probably be using them on are not particularly steep and there are good anchor points on the piers (at the main two I have in mind at least.) Also, it would be fitted on a Defender 110.

I think I'd prefer to go electric, rather than hydraulic, but I only say this in the event of a breakdown where battery power would still be available. Unless the hydraulic ones are powered by an electric pump, I'd kinda assumed they would be powered by an engine driven pump of some sort.

I'm afraid I'm really showing my ignorance here. Price isn't that much of an issue, but as it would most likely never be used, it would seem silly to spend a fortune on it. Since putting my post up, I have found a thread on "which winch is best" and there is a nice looking one linked to on Ebay:

ELECTRIC WINCH 12V RECOVERY 4x4 9500 lb WINCHMAX BRAND on eBay (end time 07-Jan-11 19:28:08 GMT)

It's only 9500lbs and most opinions seem to think the 12500lbs one would be better.

I also like this one, but don't know about the hydraulic power source.

HYDRAULIC WINCH 20000 lb WINCHMAX BRAND on eBay (end time 09-Jan-11 14:38:55 GMT)

This one would be about my price limit for just the winch itself, then there's all the bits to go with it, as I said above, it'll probably never get used, or at most very, very rarely.

Ron.
 
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Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen!!!:doh:

Sorry, have I missed something?

The locations I launch my boat at have a pier. Said pier has huge big iron rings set into the concrete for tying up to. Should I need to winch my landy up the beach, they would make superb anchor points to hook the winch line onto. I don't think I'd be able to pull the pier into the sea with a landy and a winch?

So, how disaster waiting to happen?

Would it be better to tie the rope to a wee rock or a sapling tree?
Or to someone else's Ford Escort in the car park?
 
Hi & thanks for your quick reply, in fact, just thanks for your reply at all.

Firstly Ron I'd like to point out we're all here for our own fun not just to answer all and every question put on here.... :mad:

As for yr winch and which winch, is best is like asking which is the best tyre....
It depends on what yr gonna do with it, personal taste etc.
May I tactfully suggest you read about how to use a winch.
Join a club and watch how they use winches and even have a go yourself with someone elses ( if they let you obviously ) so that when you come to buy one you'll have a very good idea what you want, why you need it and more importantly how to use it.

As an aside to anyone thinking of buying a winch apart from aesthetics or using one for competitions or with friends.
DONT buy one with a view to self recovery.
And if you need that explaining to you, you really do need help because you may have put yr self in a potentially dangerous situation.
 
Yep, I'd probably get any peripherals I needed to do the jobs I'd want them to. But, to be honest, the main two sites I'd maybe need the winch have good anchor points available. In each case, I would only be about 25 to 50 yards off the road and I wouldn't expect to be winching far.

I'm just a little paranoid at the thought of my landy getting stuck as the tide was coming in and ending up getting swamped/submerged in sea water.

Ron.
 
Firstly Ron I'd like to point out we're all here for our own fun not just to answer all and every question put on here.... :mad:

As for yr winch and which winch, is best is like asking which is the best tyre....
It depends on what yr gonna do with it, personal taste etc.
May I tactfully suggest you read about how to use a winch.
Join a club and watch how they use winches and even have a go yourself with someone elses ( if they let you obviously ) so that when you come to buy one you'll have a very good idea what you want, why you need it and more importantly how to use it.

As an aside to anyone thinking of buying a winch apart from aesthetics or using one for competitions or with friends.
DONT buy one with a view to self recovery.
And if you need that explaining to you, you really do need help because you may have put yr self in a potentially dangerous situation.

Hi Broms,

Thanks also for your answer too.

My "Thanks for your quick reply" was aimed at Mad Hat for replying within minutes of me posting.

I didn't ask "Which winch," I hate those questions as much as the next man.

I was asking if someone with experience of winches could give me an opinion on the one I had linked to on Ebay.

Thanks for the advice on reading up on how to use a winch, I would be doing that anyway, but I hadn't thought about asking someone to demo the use of one.

Self-recovery, my friend, is the only reason I might need a winch. As I explained, I know what I want it for and the purpose for which I would be using it, but I'll re-type it just for clarification.

I bought my land rover to help when I launch/recover a little boat on a couple of rocky beaches, as my Peugeot Partner was not up to the job. I am a bit paranoid that one day I might get stuck as the tide comes in and I wouldn't want to let my defender get submerged. Therefore, I see a winch as the ideal solution to this worry. Both locations I launch at, have a pier. There are huge big rings sunk into the concrete at intervals along the piers to which I could easily anchor a winch line. I would then be able to give my landy a straight pull forward to get me out of trouble and then drive up the beach.

I am not, in any shape, form or manner, disputing the level of professionalism needed by guys who use winches to do most recovery work, but I think I am capable of managing something as simple as a straight forward pull on a reasonably level beach, after all, it's little more than a straight tow up a very slight incline.

Up until I got the landy, I simply used a long rope to haul the boat trailer up the beach to the car park, but it didn't look too pretty so I bought a landy.

While I appreciate the fact that some folks might think a winch has a certain aesthetic appeal, I am most definitely not one of them. I personally think they look horrible and I'd much prefer one that could be hooked up when needed, but I suspect the only ones that could be used in this way wouldn't haul a landy and a boat up a rocky beach :).

Anyway, thanks again as you have put forward one very good point in getting a demo. A couple of my work colleagues have winches on their Disco's so I could arrange that no problem, though I don't think they can be that hard to use. Press this button to reel out and that one to reel in.

Like I said, I'm not into off-roading or greenlaning or self-recovery, nothing more extreme than what I have described above.

Thanks again.

R.
 
Self-recovery, my friend, is the only reason I might need a winch. As I explained, I know what I want it for and the purpose for which I would be using it, but I'll re-type it just for clarification.

Anyway, thanks again as you have put forward one very good point in getting a demo. A couple of my work colleagues have winches on their Disco's so I could arrange that no problem, though I don't think they can be that hard to use. Press this button to reel out and that one to reel in.

Like I said, I'm not into off-roading or greenlaning or self-recovery, nothing more extreme than what I have described above.

Thanks again.

R.

Self recovery is OMG I've totally not realised I was in such hazardous terrian and accidently got myself stuck.
NOT
righty ho I can go anywhere I please and get myself out.

As you rightly pointed out they are easy to use......................However

They are also very easy to use incorrectly/dangerously ;)
 
just a thought - yu have used a rope in the past to haul the boat up the beach. Why not leave your landy in a safe place and use a rope/winch just to haul the boat up. The boat is likely to be lighter, easier to move and doesnt risk the landrover.
 
just a thought - yu have used a rope in the past to haul the boat up the beach. Why not leave your landy in a safe place and use a rope/winch just to haul the boat up. The boat is likely to be lighter, easier to move and doesnt risk the landrover.

Not nearly as much fun though :p :D :D

A bit of both really.

Nah, I've probably made it sound like it's a major issue getting up the beach, but in reality both beaches are only a slight incline, but rocky, not huge big rocks, just large stones.

In the past, when we launch the boat, we just roll it down the shore to the water, but after a few hours on the water in the winter the last thing we want to do is push it back up the beach. One of the last times we were out, a local chap was setting his boat out on his moorings and his mate had some sort of 4x4 people carrier type thingie, and since we'd been wading in the water helping him and his 4x4 was right beside my trailer, I was cheeky enough to ask his mate to pull the trailer up the beach for me. At high tide it's only about 10 yards or so, it made it look so easy compared to the way I used to do it with the Partner van and a rope, that I decided then and there to get a landy. Also, in the nicer weather, a lot of people park their cars in the most difficult place they could and it effectively blocks the only space there is to drive forward enough to get the boat up on a rope.

My only real reason for considering getting a winch is, as previously stated, my paranoia at getting stuck. Once I've done it a couple of times with the landy this will disappear, I know it will, but I would just like to cover all the bases and as one of the spots is very remote I think a winch would be the answer to sleepless nights.

I thought I had a photograph of the more remote beach somewhere, which would show you what I'm talking about, but if you see it you'll laugh at me for worrying about the idea of a landy getting stuck on it.

Couldn't find it. Seriously, I don't really believe there is any real risk in getting stuck, but I just wanted to be safer than sorryer.
 
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My only real reason for getting a winch is, as previously stated, my paranoia at getting stuck. Once I've done it a couple of times with the landy this will disappear, I know it will, but I would just like to cover all the bases and as one of the spots is very remote I think a winch would be the answer to sleepless nights.

I thought I had a photograph of the more remote beach somewhere, which will show you what I'm talking about, when you see it you'll laugh at me for worrying about the idea of a landy getting stuck on it.

Couldn't find it. Seriously, I don't really believe there is any risk in getting stuck, but I just wanted to be safer than sorryer.

Ok I think.........
Still think you've missed my point. :rolleyes:

If n when it all goes tit's up Don't just rely on yr winch to get you out of trouble.
You already see that you would have a problem if you had a hydraulic winch and you couldn't start your engine....
So also consider what you would do if your battery was dead...? :eek:
 
Sorry, have I missed something?

Yes.

The pier will not have been designed to take such loading from a stuck in the mud 2.5 tonne(+) land rover, plus boat/trailer + drag from the mud etc.

Given that you are talking about an iron pier in tidal zone, corrosion will be a significant consideration and although you may think the structures are sound, introducing this kind of point load onto the structure could could cause failure of structural members or seriously weaken them.
 
Yes.

The pier will not have been designed to take such loading from a stuck in the mud 2.5 tonne(+) land rover, plus boat/trailer + drag from the mud etc.

Given that you are talking about an iron pier in tidal zone, corrosion will be a significant consideration and although you may think the structures are sound, introducing this kind of point load onto the structure could could cause failure of structural members or seriously weaken them.


Ah but he's never going to get stuck :p ;) :D
 

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