The chassis is scrap and not even worthy of consideration.
The chassis is scrap and not even worthy of consideration.
The rest of it will transfer over to a galvy nicely tho ...
Buy a "chassis" off eBay, swap it and sell.
jamesmartin
Well-Known Member
he should complain to vosa, but any that know landies ought to check the chassis on an old truck
Alan Crossley
Well-Known Member
I have no idea who, or what vosa is, but assume that it's some form of legal organisation.
If that is what James is advocating, then I think the he is absolutely correct. Providing an MOT on a vehicle which is, beyond any doubt, a potential death trap, should be a criminal offence and rightly so.
The though of what that vehicle could have done to any number of innocent people, including SaintV8 and his family, beggars belief.
Here in Ireland, the equivalent commercial vehicle test, is recorded on video. I understand that this is a safety measure to ensure that the test is undertaken correctly.
Unfortunately, sh.t happens, but I would certainly take out my frustration on the Liecenced Test Centre.
If that is what James is advocating, then I think the he is absolutely correct. Providing an MOT on a vehicle which is, beyond any doubt, a potential death trap, should be a criminal offence and rightly so.
The though of what that vehicle could have done to any number of innocent people, including SaintV8 and his family, beggars belief.
Here in Ireland, the equivalent commercial vehicle test, is recorded on video. I understand that this is a safety measure to ensure that the test is undertaken correctly.
Unfortunately, sh.t happens, but I would certainly take out my frustration on the Liecenced Test Centre.
Magicgrotto
Well-Known Member
F000k I must be to CHEAP !
blue beasty
Leaks an prone to bits dropping off
VOSA (Vehicle and Operator Services Agency) and DSA (Driving Standards Agency) merged some years ago to become DVSA (Driver and Vehicle Standards Agency) and among other things are responsible for approving MOT testers.
It's called something else these days ...
He had someone complain on his behalf and all that came out of it was ..." this was not the vehicle examined on that day" ... so they dodged that one ...
He bought the vehicle from a dealer in good faith ... we have all bought goods, (not always vehicles), without examining them 'properly' ... you do sometimes take a man at his word, but only once do you fall for the con ...
Gmacz
Well-Known Member
If the mot guy was allowed to go around the chassis with a grinder, he would have found the filler etc. He is not allowed to do this, cover chassis with filler, cover it in black stuff and it will probably pass because he is not allowed to scrape it off and have a look. Problem is with the shi*head that bodged it.
I believe they are allowed to use a magnet tho.
Alan Crossley
Well-Known Member
Thank you for that information BB. I would think that a meeting with the Ombudsman would prove very interesting.
This sort of fraudulent behaviour needs to be stopped. I know, when we were all younger, it felt great when you could have a chat with the tester and hope for an easy ride. But, as we grow up, and understand why the vehicle testing is so important. We should be able to consider the service as a positive guide to the condition of our vehicle, and plan our own servicing regime to ensure that those out of the ordinary item are repaired or replaced.
A tap hammer can be used, rust and filler should be obvious.
Carefully concealed ... it is an art ... like forging MOT's ...not everyone uses a tap hammer ... the ring will find all sorts ...
Coffeelandy
Well-Known Member
That was supposed to be an obvious dilemma!Cos then he'll have no parts to put on the chassis
Might be worth borrowing and doing galv be worth alot more working with that to sell than as is. Could always take to them places that lift off body if no time still probably be worth it money wise than selling as is
alexc2701
Active Member
Dunno he mentioned selling as it is!
Coffeelandy
Well-Known Member
Nevermind.
Many thanks for all your kind words and support.
In the ideal world where money, time and space was not an issue I would indeed switch out to a galv chassis as the running gear, engine, gearbox and transfer box are sound as a pound. The 300Tdi fitted really does pull strongly, it is smooth and surprisingly quiet. The gearbox is silky smooth on gear changes and the Transfer Box has no backlash, no groans and aside from after going from low back to high and after a few hundred yards it pops out into to neutral again, then you put it back and it stays there from then on...it is faultless.
But I/we don't live in an ideal world.
Money - The girlfriend and I are currently going through debt management with Step Change as over the last few years she has been made redundant a few times and had a long wait before finding a new job, so bills, food and baby expenses all went on credit cards, which we are now up to our eyes in. We are also planning to get married next year and are doing our best to save for the very modest wedding we have planned.
Space - It is all permit parking at our place, and we only get one permit....so the other Land Rover the girlfriend will now drive will park outside the house, my cheap replacement car will park a few hundred yards up the road (just like were my Landy used to park) which means there is no space for a rusting hulk. Dads drive way is only big enough for one car, and while he doesn't mind the Defender being there in the short term, it is not a long term solution.
Time - I work full time as many of us do, but my hours are odd, the only time I would get is a few hours on a Saturday and that would pretty much be it. I would imagine that even if we had the money and space it would still take me a couple of years to do the job justice.
The current plan is thus:
Remove from Rusty the power steering box and pump and fit to the other 110 as the one on that is juddery and power assistance is non-existent currently. Remove the genuine Boost Alloys and fit in replacement of the steel rims on the 110 for two reasons, the boosts look good and also the tyres on them are only a couple of months old!
Take the radio out of Rusty and fit in the 110 as there isn't one currently fitted, didn't bother me as I'd use an mp3 player and a bluetooth speaker for music while I was driving it.
Might look at removing the speedo drive cable and fitting to the 110 as the speedo is jumping about in the 110 and by the feel of it the coiled cable is stretched and skipping about.
Then I think it will be a case of photos and bung it on the bay for 10 days and see what she goes for.....shame, massive shame, but I can't do anything for her for at least a couple of years until after the wedding is paid for, our financial situation brightens or I win the lottery.
Thems the breaks we get in life, we have to roll with the punches and take these things on the chin. I am not a Green Oval newbie, having owned a few (mainly Range Rovers) and am fully aware of the 'check the chassis' rules, which I did but it all looked OK, usual flaky patches but nothing out of the ordinary.
It wasn't until we had been off road a few times, washed down the chassis afterwards etc, that the paint started peeling off and exposing the odd patch of filler or rusted hulk underneath.
So, with the MOT coming up in a couple of weeks I decided to make a start in prepping and welding in patches to the areas I knew about and the one I had created by ripping he tow ball brace through the chassis trying to pull a small tree out from the middle of the road. Only to find as I was sanding back the paintwork to find all the filler, and the 'lack' of metal left on the rear end. I then began to look at the area around the trailing arm bracket as I knew there were a couple of small holes there too, as I was poking about with the screwdriver to see how much I would have to cut out to get back to solid metal again, I had pretty much poked my way through the whole width of the chassis as can be seen in the photo.....the crack wasn't obvious, until I had been poking about and found the whole area was just thin rusted metal that just flaked away!
Again, many thanks to you all - anyone want 1900kg of rust?
In the ideal world where money, time and space was not an issue I would indeed switch out to a galv chassis as the running gear, engine, gearbox and transfer box are sound as a pound. The 300Tdi fitted really does pull strongly, it is smooth and surprisingly quiet. The gearbox is silky smooth on gear changes and the Transfer Box has no backlash, no groans and aside from after going from low back to high and after a few hundred yards it pops out into to neutral again, then you put it back and it stays there from then on...it is faultless.
But I/we don't live in an ideal world.
Money - The girlfriend and I are currently going through debt management with Step Change as over the last few years she has been made redundant a few times and had a long wait before finding a new job, so bills, food and baby expenses all went on credit cards, which we are now up to our eyes in. We are also planning to get married next year and are doing our best to save for the very modest wedding we have planned.
Space - It is all permit parking at our place, and we only get one permit....so the other Land Rover the girlfriend will now drive will park outside the house, my cheap replacement car will park a few hundred yards up the road (just like were my Landy used to park) which means there is no space for a rusting hulk. Dads drive way is only big enough for one car, and while he doesn't mind the Defender being there in the short term, it is not a long term solution.
Time - I work full time as many of us do, but my hours are odd, the only time I would get is a few hours on a Saturday and that would pretty much be it. I would imagine that even if we had the money and space it would still take me a couple of years to do the job justice.
The current plan is thus:
Remove from Rusty the power steering box and pump and fit to the other 110 as the one on that is juddery and power assistance is non-existent currently. Remove the genuine Boost Alloys and fit in replacement of the steel rims on the 110 for two reasons, the boosts look good and also the tyres on them are only a couple of months old!
Take the radio out of Rusty and fit in the 110 as there isn't one currently fitted, didn't bother me as I'd use an mp3 player and a bluetooth speaker for music while I was driving it.
Might look at removing the speedo drive cable and fitting to the 110 as the speedo is jumping about in the 110 and by the feel of it the coiled cable is stretched and skipping about.
Then I think it will be a case of photos and bung it on the bay for 10 days and see what she goes for.....shame, massive shame, but I can't do anything for her for at least a couple of years until after the wedding is paid for, our financial situation brightens or I win the lottery.
Thems the breaks we get in life, we have to roll with the punches and take these things on the chin. I am not a Green Oval newbie, having owned a few (mainly Range Rovers) and am fully aware of the 'check the chassis' rules, which I did but it all looked OK, usual flaky patches but nothing out of the ordinary.
It wasn't until we had been off road a few times, washed down the chassis afterwards etc, that the paint started peeling off and exposing the odd patch of filler or rusted hulk underneath.
So, with the MOT coming up in a couple of weeks I decided to make a start in prepping and welding in patches to the areas I knew about and the one I had created by ripping he tow ball brace through the chassis trying to pull a small tree out from the middle of the road. Only to find as I was sanding back the paintwork to find all the filler, and the 'lack' of metal left on the rear end. I then began to look at the area around the trailing arm bracket as I knew there were a couple of small holes there too, as I was poking about with the screwdriver to see how much I would have to cut out to get back to solid metal again, I had pretty much poked my way through the whole width of the chassis as can be seen in the photo.....the crack wasn't obvious, until I had been poking about and found the whole area was just thin rusted metal that just flaked away!
Again, many thanks to you all - anyone want 1900kg of rust?
