dove said:

The 20s handle better cos its a lower profile tyre.and as far as going off road the 20s are just the same as 18s just depends on the tyres you have fitted.almost the same diameter only 20 mm wider?

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Bix said:

Young man, I feel I have to correct you here as you've fallen victim to years of marketing bull****.

The current trend with vehicles is bigger wheels, smaller tyres and firmer suspension. The idea being hard = fast. Unfortunately this is incorrect. It is marketing bull**** damn near all marquees are using to shift metal to dip****s.

The truth is a fast car is a supple one. Yes, you want a degree of firmness to prevent body roll, but when you get too hard the suspension stops doing its job and it slows you down. What happens is you'll bounce around, losing contact with the road surface and constantly having to adjust the steering.

This isn't a fast way to drive, it also puts a lot of stress on all of the rubber parts that attach the wheels to the chassis. I can tell you something for free, if you took your P38 around a race track with disgusting drugdealer wheels for 5 hot laps then switched to 18s and did another 5 hotlaps, you will find that lap times come down when using the 18s. Suspension on vehicles is designed with the sidewall in mind as tyres play a key part in handling. They are your first point of contact to the road. The theory is 45-50% sidewall is the minimum you can go down to before you start having an adverse affect on the handling and slow down. To make 20" wheels fit you'd need a tiny slither of rubber, I assume you're down to something stupid like 25-30%? Yeah, good luck with that.

If you just come clean and say you are using 20" wheels because you think they look good, then fine, have at it. It is your car after all. But if you continue to delude yourself that you've increased handling then you're a misguided moron who believes everything the marketing department tells you.

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Bix said:

Young man, I feel I have to correct you here as you've fallen victim to years of marketing bull****.

The current trend with vehicles is bigger wheels, smaller tyres and firmer suspension. The idea being hard = fast. Unfortunately this is incorrect. It is marketing bull**** damn near all marquees are using to shift metal to dip****s.

The truth is a fast car is a supple one. Yes, you want a degree of firmness to prevent body roll, but when you get too hard the suspension stops doing its job and it slows you down. What happens is you'll bounce around, losing contact with the road surface and constantly having to adjust the steering.

This isn't a fast way to drive, it also puts a lot of stress on all of the rubber parts that attach the wheels to the chassis. I can tell you something for free, if you took your P38 around a race track with disgusting drugdealer wheels for 5 hot laps then switched to 18s and did another 5 hotlaps, you will find that lap times come down when using the 18s. Suspension on vehicles is designed with the sidewall in mind as tyres play a key part in handling. They are your first point of contact to the road. The theory is 45-50% sidewall is the minimum you can go down to before you start having an adverse affect on the handling and slow down. To make 20" wheels fit you'd need a tiny slither of rubber, I assume you're down to something stupid like 25-30%? Yeah, good luck with that.

If you just come clean and say you are using 20" wheels because you think they look good, then fine, have at it. It is your car after all. But if you continue to delude yourself that you've increased handling then you're a misguided moron who believes everything the marketing department tells you.

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Bix said:

To make 20" wheels fit you'd need a tiny slither of rubber, I assume you're down to something stupid like 25-30%? Yeah, good luck with that.

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kevwill said:

Make you right. I've never seen a Formula 1 car with low profile tyres.

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bix said:

young man, i feel i have to correct you here as you've fallen victim to years of marketing bull****.

The current trend with vehicles is bigger wheels, smaller tyres and firmer suspension. The idea being hard = fast. Unfortunately this is incorrect. It is marketing bull**** damn near all marquees are using to shift metal to dip****s.

The truth is a fast car is a supple one. Yes, you want a degree of firmness to prevent body roll, but when you get too hard the suspension stops doing its job and it slows you down. What happens is you'll bounce around, losing contact with the road surface and constantly having to adjust the steering.

This isn't a fast way to drive, it also puts a lot of stress on all of the rubber parts that attach the wheels to the chassis. I can tell you something for free, if you took your p38 around a race track with disgusting drugdealer wheels for 5 hot laps then switched to 18s and did another 5 hotlaps, you will find that lap times come down when using the 18s. Suspension on vehicles is designed with the sidewall in mind as tyres play a key part in handling. They are your first point of contact to the road. The theory is 45-50% sidewall is the minimum you can go down to before you start having an adverse affect on the handling and slow down. To make 20" wheels fit you'd need a tiny slither of rubber, i assume you're down to something stupid like 25-30%? Yeah, good luck with that.

If you just come clean and say you are using 20" wheels because you think they look good, then fine, have at it. It is your car after all. But if you continue to delude yourself that you've increased handling then you're a misguided moron who believes everything the marketing department tells you.

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Bix said:

Young man, I feel I have to correct you here as you've fallen victim to years of marketing bull****.

The current trend with vehicles is bigger wheels, smaller tyres and firmer suspension. The idea being hard = fast. Unfortunately this is incorrect. It is marketing bull**** damn near all marquees are using to shift metal to dip****s.

The truth is a fast car is a supple one. Yes, you want a degree of firmness to prevent body roll, but when you get too hard the suspension stops doing its job and it slows you down. What happens is you'll bounce around, losing contact with the road surface and constantly having to adjust the steering.

This isn't a fast way to drive, it also puts a lot of stress on all of the rubber parts that attach the wheels to the chassis. I can tell you something for free, if you took your P38 around a race track with disgusting drugdealer wheels for 5 hot laps then switched to 18s and did another 5 hotlaps, you will find that lap times come down when using the 18s. Suspension on vehicles is designed with the sidewall in mind as tyres play a key part in handling. They are your first point of contact to the road. The theory is 45-50% sidewall is the minimum you can go down to before you start having an adverse affect on the handling and slow down. To make 20" wheels fit you'd need a tiny slither of rubber, I assume you're down to something stupid like 25-30%? Yeah, good luck with that.

If you just come clean and say you are using 20" wheels because you think they look good, then fine, have at it. It is your car after all. But if you continue to delude yourself that you've increased handling then you're a misguided moron who believes everything the marketing department tells you.

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dove said:

i take it you've never driven yours on 20s if you read the post properly you'll see its 45 profile on mine that works out 16 mm smaller sidewall than the 18s going from 16 to 18 inch there is 25 mm difference in profile.even running 22s you still have a 100 mm profile.if you have driven with 18s and then 20s you easily feel the car being more stable around corners.as far as going around a race track with a range rover that's a bit extreme.maybe someone should tell all the race teams to put big profile tyres on all there race cars because they handle so much better.

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dove said:

I take it you've never driven yours on 20s if you read the post properly you'll see its 45 profile on mine that works out 16 mm smaller sidewall than the 18s going from 16 to 18 inch there is 25 mm difference in profile.even running 22s you still have a 100 mm profile.if you have driven with 18s and then 20s you easily feel the car being more stable around corners.as far as going around a race track with a range rover that's a bit extreme.maybe someone should tell all the race teams to put big profile tyres on all there race cars because they handle so much better.

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sas1810 said:

what width tyres are you using? 245? 255? 265? 275?

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