It's to be encouraged not poured scorn on.

No it isn't, if you want to work for VOSA, go do so. Otherwise it's best to let other people get on with their lives, rather than being a dick and sticking your nose in where it's not wanted.

As in every case, ####wits like the OP know nothing about the circumstances or all the facts.

So all you end up doing is drawing the WRONG attention. And you don't even achieve anything positive at the end of it.
 
And ponder this.

If you had an old Series, and bought a new chassis, new engine, new gearbox, new panels, new interior, new axles. And at the end of the build, just moved the VIN and number plate over. Which bit of the new vehicle would be tax exempt?


Or maybe you buy a half chassis for you project. Does it now mean half of it isn't tax exempt?


What about fabricating bits of chassis? Maybe accident or rot damage, you cut a bit out and make a bit of box section? Does that mean your Landy is no longer tax exempt?

How far can you go? Can you replace an entire chassis leg with one you've made up out of box section???


What if you replace or repair the rear of the chassis, with a half chassis, or fabricated bits. Then a year or so later the front????


How about having a 1971 S3 with a rotten chassis and buying a 1982 S3 chassis 2nd hand that is solid and putting it under your '71. Is that now not tax exempt?????


Or how about you weld on coil spring mounts and radius arm mounts to a Series chassis. Would that be ok?


And lets not forget, a coil and leaf sprung Landy still use the SAME type of live axle suspension. It is only the spring type that changes significantly. And the axles are not only of the same basic design, they are the same part, just an evolution and multiple parts fit both axles. Think about it, is a Suffix D gearbox any less different from an early Suffix B one?

And the Tdi engine, is largely the same unit as the original engines fitted to Series vehicles. Same block, just different bits mounted to it.

And also lets not forget, in the specific case of this listing. A Range Rover could be as old as 1970, so tax exempt in it's own right anyhow.
 
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No it isn't, if you want to work for VOSA, go do so. Otherwise it's best to let other people get on with their lives, rather than being a dick and sticking your nose in where it's not wanted.

As in every case, ####wits like the OP know nothing about the circumstances or all the facts.

So all you end up doing is drawing the WRONG attention. And you don't even achieve anything positive at the end of it.

The reason people on here "stick their noses in" is because they care about land rovers and don't want some scrote selling something that is possibly illegal to some unsuspecting and trusting person. If they should stop sticking their nose in, perhaps you should do likewise and stop being abusive.
 
The reason people on here "stick their noses in" is because they care about land rovers and don't want some scrote selling something that is possibly illegal to some unsuspecting and trusting person. If they should stop sticking their nose in, perhaps you should do likewise and stop being abusive.

But that's the crux of it. You don't know it is illegal. You just make the assumption and presume it is, based on no evidence at all.

As for unsuspecting buyers, well if you are over 18, you are responsible for your own actions. If under, then you have a legal guardian or parent who is.


And lets face it, what is your best outcome from something like this? That you'll get someone from VOSA interested, but sadly they'll likely be a power crazed prat, who's only goal in life is to make other peoples lives a misery. And probably struggle to tell a Rolls from a Mini, so are not the sort of person you want assessing any vehicle.

And if people like you continually cry "wolf". All it does is bring all 4x4's, off roaders and classics under scrutiny that they don't need. So people will start getting pulled because their tyres are 1/4" outside the arches, or other mods will be deemed unacceptable.


Think back to when you were at school, did the person who grassed everyone up for anything really make things better for everyone? Or was it more a case of lost freedoms and everyone paying the penalty.
 
Have you been caught being a naughty boy 300burp/tup?

Whatever it is its on the wrong ID and some poor sod down the line will probably end up paying the cost in official grief and a non road legal vehicle.

The chances that it's a member here that has been caught out to the tune of £1800 are substantially less because we talk about what's legal, what isn't and what you probably won't be able to get away with for long.
 
And ponder this.

If you had an old Series, and bought a new chassis, new engine, new gearbox, new panels, new interior, new axles. And at the end of the build, just moved the VIN and number plate over. Which bit of the new vehicle would be tax exempt?


Or maybe you buy a half chassis for you project. Does it now mean half of it isn't tax exempt?


What about fabricating bits of chassis? Maybe accident or rot damage, you cut a bit out and make a bit of box section? Does that mean your Landy is no longer tax exempt?

How far can you go? Can you replace an entire chassis leg with one you've made up out of box section???


What if you replace or repair the rear of the chassis, with a half chassis, or fabricated bits. Then a year or so later the front????


How about having a 1971 S3 with a rotten chassis and buying a 1982 S3 chassis 2nd hand that is solid and putting it under your '71. Is that now not tax exempt?????


Or how about you weld on coil spring mounts and radius arm mounts to a Series chassis. Would that be ok?


And lets not forget, a coil and leaf sprung Landy still use the SAME type of live axle suspension. It is only the spring type that changes significantly. And the axles are not only of the same basic design, they are the same part, just an evolution and multiple parts fit both axles. Think about it, is a Suffix D gearbox any less different from an early Suffix B one?

And the Tdi engine, is largely the same unit as the original engines fitted to Series vehicles. Same block, just different bits mounted to it.

And also lets not forget, in the specific case of this listing. A Range Rover could be as old as 1970, so tax exempt in it's own right anyhow.
Didnt read that, it's crap.
The reason people on here "stick their noses in" is because they care about land rovers and don't want some scrote selling something that is possibly illegal to some unsuspecting and trusting person. If they should stop sticking their nose in, perhaps you should do likewise and stop being abusive.
Of course.
But that's the crux of it. You don't know it is illegal. You just make the assumption and presume it is, based on no evidence at all.

As for unsuspecting buyers, well if you are over 18, you are responsible for your own actions. If under, then you have a legal guardian or parent who is.


And lets face it, what is your best outcome from something like this? That you'll get someone from VOSA interested, but sadly they'll likely be a power crazed prat, who's only goal in life is to make other peoples lives a misery. And probably struggle to tell a Rolls from a Mini, so are not the sort of person you want assessing any vehicle.

And if people like you continually cry "wolf". All it does is bring all 4x4's, off roaders and classics under scrutiny that they don't need. So people will start getting pulled because their tyres are 1/4" outside the arches, or other mods will be deemed unacceptable.


Think back to when you were at school, did the person who grassed everyone up for anything really make things better for everyone? Or was it more a case of lost freedoms and everyone paying the penalty.
More crap. At school my vehicle wasn't dangerous or i legal, seeing as I didn't have one so crap analogy.if your motor ain't right and it's of your own doing then that's your problem, more so if you knowingly did it. If unaware because that's how you bought it then sadly that's still your problem but I'm certain a fore warning would be greatfully received.
 
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You don't know it is illegal. You just make the assumption and presume it is, based on no evidence at all.

Surely the evidence is in the advert?

TAX EXEMPT LAND ROVER 88" HYBRID
REGISTERED ON SERIES 2A LOGBOOK
SITS ON A RANGE ROVER CHASSIS SHORTENED TO 88"

My understanding of the points system says this vehicle has a very dodgy tax exempt status, if it went for an IVA it would fail for tax exempt IMO.

LZ does a good service highlighting potential issues for people new to Land Rovers, dodgy tax exempt status being a perfect example.

If this practice upsets you so much, why not share your knowledge of the points system and explain the very narrow set of circumstances where this vehicle could be in the correct classification, so as to arm buyers with helpful insight.

You seem to be arguing people should do their own due dilligence before buying, on a website partially dedicated to helping new buyers where these issues are covered regularly to help people with due dilligence, there's an irony in there somewhere:p

caveat emptor is why a lot of people come here in the first place :rolleyes:
 
I know more than I did when I first started coming on here, but I would still be eternally grateful if someone's advice saved me buying a croc of **** or dodgy vehicle.

Putting people straight on something like that isn't sticking your nose in imho it's being a decent citizen
 
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can't be arsed reading his guff.

it's not a s2a, end of. coils would mean chassis mods so it loses the id. but so much of it is a defender it will more than likely be a 90.

question is.. where is the s2a? scrapped? where did this 90 come from? nicked?

classics should be tax exempt to help keep them on the road. this is just about someone trying to pull a fast one.
 
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You seem to be arguing people should do their own due dilligence before buying, on a website partially dedicated to helping new buyers where these issues are covered regularly to help people with due dilligence, there's an irony in there somewhere:p

caveat emptor is why a lot of people come here in the first place :rolleyes:

Boom! Head shot.

can't be arsed reading his guff.

it's not a s2a, end of. coils would mean chassis mods so it loses the id. but so much of it is a defender it will more than likely be a 90.

question is.. where is the s2a? scrapped? where did this 90 come from? nicked?

classics should be tax exempt to help keep them on the road. this is just about someone trying to pull a fast one.

Well, quite. It's hardly an assumption of illegality if there is no way (as I under stand it) such a vehicle can exist and retain the original plate.
 
Well not quite the reaction I was expecting for a first post! As others have said has someone been caught out themselves?

I don't claim to be an expert on Series Land rovers and I am a complete noob, but I saw this on ebay and thought it looked a bit suspicious.

I don't have a problem with like for like repairs, suspension tweaks and engine upgrades as the essence of the vehicle remains but as I said in the title "which bit is tax exempt?" I am assuming it's the reg and v5c because I don't see anything else of an appropriate age. Plus the poor sod that bought that Frankenrover is in for a whole world of pain if he has an accident and the insurance have it checked over.

I'll try to stick to less controversial topics from now on, you know what oil to use , the best tyres etc. Anyway I am off to grass up a few grannies for eating out of date spam!
 
Well not quite the reaction I was expecting for a first post! As others have said has someone been caught out themselves?

I don't claim to be an expert on Series Land rovers and I am a complete noob, but I saw this on ebay and thought it looked a bit suspicious.

I don't have a problem with like for like repairs, suspension tweaks and engine upgrades as the essence of the vehicle remains but as I said in the title "which bit is tax exempt?" I am assuming it's the reg and v5c because I don't see anything else of an appropriate age. Plus the poor sod that bought that Frankenrover is in for a whole world of pain if he has an accident and the insurance have it checked over.

I'll try to stick to less controversial topics from now on, you know what oil to use , the best tyres etc. Anyway I am off to grass up a few grannies for eating out of date spam!

Ignore 300wanks a night he's obviously had his collar felt for selling dodgy motors, and of course it's all your fault.. for having an opinion.. :rolleyes: :D
 
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Ignore 300wanks a night he's obviously had his collar felt for selling dodgy motors, and of course it's all your fault.. for having an opinion.. :rolleyes: :D

so a series body bolted to a different chassis/car, makes for a bastid case. Maybe it is 300 ****s tax exempt vehicle
 

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